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Old 07-15-2016, 08:11 PM
 
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Cornel West, a former Bernie supporter and the DNC platform committee has this to say during his endorsement of Green Party's Jill Stein:

"This November, we need change. Yet we are tied in a choice between Trump, who would be a neo-fascist catastrophe, and Clinton, a neo-liberal disaster. That's why I am supporting Jill Stein. I am with her -- the only progressive woman in the race -- because we've got to get beyond this lock-jaw situation,"

"I have a deep love for my brother Bernie Sanders, but I disagree with him on Hillary Clinton," he wrote. "Her militarism makes the world a less safe place. Clinton policies of the 1990s generated inequality, mass incarceration, privatization of schools and Wall Street domination."

Cornel West endorses Green Party candidate Jill Stein - CNNPolitics.com

Hopefully Jill Stein gets to debate.
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Old 07-15-2016, 11:47 PM
 
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Bernie left her out to dry.

I like Stein, but as Independent voters heading our bets, this year is about Johnson/Weld. Any other year I'd go with Stein, but the Libertarians put up a legitimate ticket with two former Governors. I lived through a Johnson admin, I like him personally. He was honest and truly cared about New Mexico.
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Old 07-15-2016, 11:51 PM
 
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Bernie left her out to dry.

I like Stein, but as Independent voters heading our bets, this year is about Johnson/Weld. Any other year I'd go with Stein, but the Libertarians put up a legitimate ticket with two former Governors. I lived through a Johnson admin, I like him personally. He was honest and truly cared about New Mexico.
Bernie has always said he would support the Democratic nominee and believes taking over the Democratic Party is a better way for progress for the working class than running third party.

Johnson and Weld want to eliminate social security and force disabled people to rely on churches and volunteer efforts. This is deeply disturbing.
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Old 07-15-2016, 11:52 PM
 
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Bernie has always said he would support the Democratic nominee and believes taking over the Democratic Party is a better way for progress for the working class than running third party.

Johnson and Weld want to eliminate social security and force disabled people to rely on churches and volunteer efforts. This is deeply disturbing.
They won't win, but they have a legitimate shot at getting in a debate and securing finding. It's a step to defeat this duopoly.

I feel ya on Bernie, I liked him. But this endorsement was poor form.

As for Johnson, his governor record suggests he's a liberal republican. Was pro environmental protections for example.
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Old 07-16-2016, 06:54 AM
 
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They won't win, but they have a legitimate shot at getting in a debate and securing finding. It's a step to defeat this duopoly.

I feel ya on Bernie, I liked him. But this endorsement was poor form.

As for Johnson, his governor record suggests he's a liberal republican. Was pro environmental protections for example.
You make fair points on all counts. The 5% is very important. I'll be voting for ein because I believe the Libertarians will do well and I'd like to see the Greens do equally well. I'm half way between the Libertarians and Greens in terms of policies.

As for Sanders, he capitulated before the convention for his own benefit not his supporters, and he is definitely not so naive to believe such a thoroughly polluted Party such as the Democratic Party can ever be cleaned up from within. It is an appendage of Wall Street.

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Old 07-16-2016, 07:11 AM
 
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You make fair points on all counts. The 5% is very importantI'd I'll be voting for nStein because I believe the Libertarians will do well and I'd like to see the Greens do equally well. I'm half way between the Libertarians and Greens in terms of policies.

As for Sanders, he capitulated before the convention for his own benefit not his supporters, and he is definitely not so naive to believe such a thoroughly polluted Party such as the Democratic Party can ever be cleaned up from within. It is an appendage of Wall Street.

The (D)'s told Bernie that unless he endorsed Hillary he wasn't going to get a prime speaking spot. The sad part is no one cares any longer what he has to say.

Giving up your principles for a prime spot in a dog and pony show does not indicate to anyone that you are capable of bringing about change.

It's all pretty disappointing.
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Old 07-16-2016, 07:19 AM
 
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The (D)'s told Bernie that unless he endorsed Hillary he wasn't going to get a prime speaking spot. The sad part is no one cares any longer what he has to say.

Giving up your principles for a prime spot in a dog and pony show does not indicate to anyone that you are capable of bringing about change.

It's all pretty disappointing.
Exactly. What the Party Apparatchiks were saying is that you maximize your personal benefits by endorsing now. $trillions are at stake and it's tough upending an Establishment that has so thoroughly taken over the money and printing press. Unfortunately it may take an economic catastrophe such as the Great Depression for a majority to finally day enough. We are on the precipice as world events indicate.

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Old 07-16-2016, 07:31 AM
 
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I can respect Cornel West for this choice, but don't agree with his
descriptive language.

What happens with intellectuals often is that they feel the need to
"dumb-down" what they really think so that average people can
understand. This creates misapplications of phrases.

The term "neo-fascism" does not apply to either Trump or Hillary.
Hillary is a complete globalist. When she joins corporations and
governments, its on the global, supra-national level.

Trump is a nationalist who opposes overarching globalist entities,
but he's not a fascist. Mussolini and Hitler were fascists.
China is fascist. Venezuela is fascist. It is false to describe fascism
as from the "right", not from the "left".

Anyway, there are definitely more solutions with Stein than with Hillary.

We need forward-thinking, and need to grow as a civilization in a sustainable way
that is open to new developments and is positive and builds real freedom,
not the phony rat race capitalistic slavery that mispresents itself as freedom.

Still, at this juncture, I support Trump because I want a cohesive, safe, and
intentional country called America to exist again.
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Old 07-16-2016, 07:35 AM
 
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I can respect Cornel West for this choice, but don't agree with his
descriptive language.

What happens with intellectuals often is that they feel the need to
"dumb-down" what they really think so that average people can
understand. This creates misapplications of phrases.

The term "neo-fascism" does not apply to either Trump or Hillary.
Hillary is a complete globalist. When she joins corporations and
governments, its on the global, supra-national level.

Trump is a nationalist who opposes overarching globalist entities,
but he's not a fascist. Mussolini and Hitler were fascists.
China is fascist. Venezuela is fascist. It is false to describe fascism
as from the "right", not from the "left".

Anyway, there are definitely more solutions with Stein than with Hillary.

We need forward-thinking, and need to grow as a civilization in a sustainable way
that is open to new developments and is positive and builds real freedom,
not the phony rat race capitalistic slavery that mispresents itself as freedom.

Still, at this juncture, I support Trump because I want a cohesive, safe, and
intentional country called America to exist again.
Fair enough.
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Old 07-16-2016, 07:42 AM
 
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Cornel West, a former Bernie supporter and the DNC platform committee has this to say during his endorsement of Green Party's Jill Stein:

"This November, we need change. Yet we are tied in a choice between Trump, who would be a neo-fascist catastrophe, and Clinton, a neo-liberal disaster. That's why I am supporting Jill Stein. I am with her -- the only progressive woman in the race -- because we've got to get beyond this lock-jaw situation,"

"I have a deep love for my brother Bernie Sanders, but I disagree with him on Hillary Clinton," he wrote. "Her militarism makes the world a less safe place. Clinton policies of the 1990s generated inequality, mass incarceration, privatization of schools and Wall Street domination."

Cornel West endorses Green Party candidate Jill Stein - CNNPolitics.com

Hopefully Jill Stein gets to debate.
Unfortunately, we have no idea how Stein would actually govern because she never actually HAS. And, no, being a medical doctor doesn't make her any more prepared than Ben Carson.

Why does she only crop up every four years?

Why isn't she running for city council? Mayor? Local school board? Governor (ok she did and lost); Congress? Anything? Why aren't members of the Green party doing the same?

I would support her and her party IF she were willing to start and the bottom and work their way up. But simply running for President every four years is just a great way to massage her ego. Nothing more. She has no intention of being President.
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