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I know that the first Presidential debate is slated for September 26th @ Hofstra University.
What I don't know is: When is the cut off date for Gary Johnson to reach 15% in the polls in order to qualify to participate in the debates? How exactly does that work?
It's fluid and pretty subjective. If the networks think he will add rating points they'll include him. Otherwise it's five major polls right around the debate which at this point is a pretty high bar. Still any third-parties that get 5% of the vote will be v entitled to federal funding next cycle and donations up to $250 will be matched this cycle. The only way to break out of this vicious spirsl is to vote third-party and begin to shift the leverage of power over to third-party elected officials. That's v why I'm voting for Jill Stein and other Green and Libertarian candidates down ticket.
Pretty sad that a guy can't make a thread asking for 3rd party supporters to converge and discuss without a Hillary shill hijacking the thread with the very first reply.
Al threads are fair game for everyone to participate. I am a supporter for the Democratic nominee, and that is quite different from being a shill. The Democratic platform is much closer to my own convictions. I will vote for Hillary Clinton.
This is not the election to try to support third party candidates for PRESIDENT. It's stupid. It will not work to help 3rd parties move forward. The only one it will help is Trump. Surely you understand this.
In general, Greens and Independents both prefer Clinton to Trump.
Ralph Nader ran as a Green Party candidate in 2000—keep in mind that is 16 years ago—and he got less than 3% of the vote, but it was enough to throw a monkey wrench into the election and what happened? Republican George Bush (with the help of his brother and the Supreme Court) was elected.
3rd party candidates help Republican Presidential candidates win, period. That's why a lot of people pretending to be for the Green Party or Libertarian party are actually Republicans and/or Trump supporters. (Not everyone, but yes, there are a bunch of fake Greens and fake Libertarian pretenders).
If one genuinely wants to advance the cause of the Green Party or Libertarians, vote for them "down ticket", for local, regional and statewide elections. That's fine.
But if you care about this country, you will do the same thing as independent Bernie Sanders (who ran not as as an Independent but as a Democrat) and support the same person he has endorsed for President, and that is Hillary Clinton.
Air-kissing Donald Trump, perched on his golden throne chair, with his serial marriages, and his inability to stay married through thick and thin, in good times and bad, will do what is best for himself, period.
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This is not the election to try to support third party candidates for PRESIDENT. It's stupid. It will not work to help 3rd parties move forward. The only one it will help is Trump. Surely you understand this.
In general, Greens and Independents both prefer Clinton to Trump.
Ralph Nader ran as a Green Party candidate in 2000—keep in mind that is 16 years ago—and he got less than 3% of the vote, but it was enough to throw a monkey wrench into the election and what happened? Republican George Bush (with the help of his brother and the Supreme Court) was elected.
3rd party candidates help Republican Presidential candidates win, period. That's why a lot of people pretending to be for the Green Party or Libertarian party are actually Republicans and/or Trump supporters. (Not everyone, but yes, there are a bunch of fake Greens and fake Libertarian pretenders).
If one genuinely wants to advance the cause of the Green Party or Libertarians, vote for them "down ticket", for local, regional and statewide elections. That's fine.
But if you care about this country, you will do the same thing as independent Bernie Sanders (who ran not as as an Independent but as a Democrat) and support the same person he has endorsed for President, and that is Hillary Clinton.
Air-kissing Donald Trump, perched on his golden throne chair, with his serial marriages, and his inability to stay married through thick and thin, in good times and bad, will do what is best for himself, period.
Not everyone wants to vote for corrupt politicians. I'm fact 25% of under 35 will vote third party in New Hampshire. I love young people.
If voting for a third party candidate was viable this cycle, sure, I'd consider it. For me, stopping Trump is most important and I'll do my small part by holding my nose and voting for Hillary. A vote for Johnson or Stein would be essentially a vote for Trump. Bernie has made that point too.
~amanda
Exactly. Johnson isn't polling good enough, even in New Mexico for me to vote. Like others i see the game theory in voting. Voting third party while voting your conscious feels good, it really don't do much. Maybe at best it gets federal funding but why support a candidate you don't align with just to stick it to the machine? I kind of align with Stein but I more align with Hillary. I don't see ways Stein can support job creation. Hillary and Trump is typical Democrat/Republican trends and Johnson is free market so we know their stances. What is Stein's. Jobs are a problem in this economy and will continue to be. Criminal justice is too, what is her stance. Trump is a Nixonian police state supporter, Hillary is status quo and Johnson is for decriminalization. I mean towards decriminalization but don't align with the private sector so Johnson is out and I can't vote Trump because he is a flip-flopper, a liar, a cheat and a bigot. Hillary I may not like but she is the most stable candidate. I still think that we'll have a one-term president but I rather not leave the nation in some Mad Max wasteland like it very well could be under Trump.
Exactly. Johnson isn't polling good enough, even in New Mexico for me to vote. Like others i see the game theory in voting. Voting third party while voting your conscious feels good, it really don't do much. Maybe at best it gets federal funding but why support a candidate you don't align with just to stick it to the machine? I kind of align with Stein but I more align with Hillary. I don't see ways Stein can support job creation. Hillary and Trump is typical Democrat/Republican trends and Johnson is free market so we know their stances. What is Stein's. Jobs are a problem in this economy and will continue to be. Criminal justice is too, what is her stance. Trump is a Nixonian police state supporter, Hillary is status quo and Johnson is for decriminalization. I mean towards decriminalization but don't align with the private sector so Johnson is out and I can't vote Trump because he is a flip-flopper, a liar, a cheat and a bigot. Hillary I may not like but she is the most stable candidate. I still think that we'll have a one-term president but I rather not leave the nation in some Mad Max wasteland like it very well could be under Trump.
Bottom line, you want to vote for a corrupt candidate. OK. It's just not for everyone.
Not everyone wants to vote for corrupt politicians. I'm fact 25% of under 35 will vote third party in New Hampshire. I love young people.
Are you aware that New Hampshire has an even older population than....Florida? The median age in New Hampshire is 41.1
New Hampshire’s legislators, who are the oldest in the country, have an average age of 66, according to Pew Research, followed by Idaho at age 63.
The average age of the U.S. voting population, meanwhile, is 47.
It's people like yourself, with your adoration of "young people" that cause such a rift between generations such as I have never experienced before 2015.
Al threads are fair game for everyone to participate. I am a supporter for the Democratic nominee, and that is quite different from being a shill. The Democratic platform is much closer to my own convictions. I will vote for Hillary Clinton.
This is not the election to try to support third party candidates for PRESIDENT. It's stupid. It will not work to help 3rd parties move forward. The only one it will help is Trump. Surely you understand this.
In general, Greens and Independents both prefer Clinton to Trump.
Ralph Nader ran as a Green Party candidate in 2000—keep in mind that is 16 years ago—and he got less than 3% of the vote, but it was enough to throw a monkey wrench into the election and what happened? Republican George Bush (with the help of his brother and the Supreme Court) was elected.
3rd party candidates help Republican Presidential candidates win, period. That's why a lot of people pretending to be for the Green Party or Libertarian party are actually Republicans and/or Trump supporters. (Not everyone, but yes, there are a bunch of fake Greens and fake Libertarian pretenders).
If one genuinely wants to advance the cause of the Green Party or Libertarians, vote for them "down ticket", for local, regional and statewide elections. That's fine.
But if you care about this country, you will do the same thing as independent Bernie Sanders (who ran not as as an Independent but as a Democrat) and support the same person he has endorsed for President, and that is Hillary Clinton.
Air-kissing Donald Trump, perched on his golden throne chair, with his serial marriages, and his inability to stay married through thick and thin, in good times and bad, will do what is best for himself, period.
Its never stupid to vote for the candidate you align with the most. Whats stupid is ignorant folks prancing around like know it alls trying to tell others who to vote for.
If the Democrats can't win this election because they annointed a %^*! candidate to go against an equally %^*! show of a candidate it's their own stupid fault. I'm not losing any sleep because some sheep tells me my Stein vote equals a vote for Trump- they are not much different. When you tell them how they are similar, they just look at you and you can see the Mac spinning wheel of death in their eyes- they just don't get it.
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