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Old 07-28-2016, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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This Sanders supporter knew darn well that if he didn't win the nomination, he would do everything he could to support the eventual D nominee. He said it OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER.

My area, which is full of boomers and middle-aged people, overwhelmingly supported Sanders, and the majority of our state delegation was Sanders delegates. We understood very clearly that Sanders intended to support Clinton if he lost.

I'm nearly Sanders' age and I'm a bit deaf, but apparently there are a lot of people in this forum whose hearing and/or comprehension problems are far worse than mine.
It would have been simple for him to say at the beginning of the primaries that he'll be campaigning fervently for the Corrupt, Rigged Political System that is in the bag of Wall Street. That would have been crystal clear and actually quite honorable.
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Old 07-28-2016, 07:11 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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So tell us what type of endorsement of Hillary you would have been satisfied with, please.
"Clinton is the Democrat Party nominee and I endorse her. Bye, bye."

And only after the nomination was secured by Clinton.
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Old 07-28-2016, 07:13 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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He also said he'd fight up until the end. I didn't see a fight at all. The proof of the rigged election came out and he just shrugged his shoulders. That's not fighting for the little guy, his supporters, his donors. He gets no sympathy from me. A "revolution" does not roll over when the establishment says so.

He could've ended his campaign without endorsing her and kept his integrity and self respect. Now they expect all these Sander supporters to say YES to corruption and plutocracy and act like their little democratic acolytes? F them.
Yep, what he demonstrated was that yet another politician can be bought by the Corrupt Political System.

Let's do a somersault for corruption!
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Old 07-28-2016, 07:15 PM
 
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He also said he'd fight up until the end. I didn't see a fight at all. The proof of the rigged election came out and he just shrugged his shoulders. That's not fighting for the little guy, his supporters, his donors. He gets no sympathy from me. A "revolution" does not roll over when the establishment says so.

He could've ended his campaign without endorsing her and kept his integrity and self respect. Now they expect all these Sander supporters to say YES to corruption and plutocracy and act like their little democratic acolytes? F them.
Man, he fought. Its ridiculous to say he didnt fight! He was hounded by the entire MSM for his bitter, dogged, unyielding ways. He's 74 years old, doing 3-4 massive rallies every day for a year. This pic sums up his campaign: Sanders pledges to expand Social Security, lift wages

If people had just 10% of his fighting power, we would already have a national health care system and equal access to high quality education and child care for all, regardless of income.

He threatened with TURMOIL at the DNC (fight at the floor of the convention) obviously to increase his leverage for more progressive concessions. So you say he should not have endorsed the candidate, like he said he would do all along. What would be the price for that? We have no idea what he was strong armed with. Obviously, the price would be ZERO progressive change in Congress, becoming the "man responsible for Trump" and much more.
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Old 07-28-2016, 07:16 PM
 
Location: Austin
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Bernie is a garden variety Socialist, not Establishment at all. He was disillusioned that the Democrat Party elites were such ruthless cheaters. Socialists are always naive about the reality of human nature. That is why socialism always, always fails.
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Old 07-28-2016, 07:18 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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It would have been simple for him to say at the beginning of the primaries that he'll be campaigning fervently for the Corrupt, Rigged Political System that is in the bag of Wall Street. That would have been crystal clear and actually quite honorable.

I attended one of his early rallies, and followed his campaign closely. He said OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER that Republicans must be defeated. And the ideas and programs he espoused were standard grassroots D ideas and programs, only more assertive. That you find yourself mystified conforms that you know little about actual Ds.
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Old 07-28-2016, 07:18 PM
 
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"Clinton is the Democrat Party nominee and I endorse her. Bye, bye."

And only after the nomination was secured by Clinton.
My goodness, the nomination was already secured by Clinton. Or do you now believe that the superdelegates were not bribed? He KNEW they were bribed after extensively trying to un-bribe them, and that there was NO CHANCE in hell he could flip them.
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Old 07-28-2016, 07:21 PM
 
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Bernie is a garden variety Socialist, not Establishment at all. He was disillusioned that the Democrats were such ruthless cheaters. Socialists are always naive about the reality of human nature. That is why socialism always, always fails.
He's a New Dealer, not a socialist, and no, the New Deal has been a spectacular success and its extended version, like we see in Northern Europe is also a spectacular success.

You are talking about socialism, which means "workers owning the means of production". Please tell us which country where the workers have ever owned the means of production, please. The closest you are to getting socialism today is worker co-ops. Do you think worker co-ops "always fail"?
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Old 07-28-2016, 07:24 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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I attended one of his early rallies, and followed his campaign closely. He said OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER that Republicans must be defeated. And the ideas and programs he espoused were standard grassroots D ideas and programs, only more assertive. That you find yourself mystified conforms that you know little about actual Ds.
No, he was saying over and over again that the system was rigged, that Clinton was in the bag of Wall Street, and that he wanted a political revolution by the people.

I wonder what it must feel like to sell out millions of people? He and Tsipra should write a book, "Selling Out is Easier than You Might Think".
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Old 07-28-2016, 07:26 PM
 
Location: Austin
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He's a New Dealer, not a socialist, and no, the New Deal has been a spectacular success and its extended version, like we see in Northern Europe is also a spectacular success.

You are talking about socialism, which means "workers owning the means of production". Please tell us which country where the workers have ever owned the means of production, please. The closest you are to getting socialism today is worker co-ops. Do you think worker co-ops "always fail"?
One word: Venezuela.
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