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View Poll Results: Barack Obama vs. John McCain - Who will you vote for?
Barack Obama 65 58.04%
John McCain 47 41.96%
Voters: 112. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-20-2008, 08:28 PM
 
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Obama over Clinton and McCain over either one of them.

McCain understands foreign issues alot more the Obama and that will be critical in managing thru Iraq.

McCain is a lot less about government programs - Obama has tons of new ones in mind. We need to be requiring fewer government programs, not inventing new ones with new spending.

I think McCain has the ability and willingness to stand up and help cut back on entitlements and pork programs. I'm afraid Obama will encourage new entitlements.

For both foreign war and domestic economics I have to go McCain over Obama.
In 2000 I voted for, supported, and loved Al Gore. In 2004, I voted for and supported John Kerry. I'm just trying to establish that I am and have always been liberal-leaning moderate and seen through Bush as a corporate puppet IMO who was unprepared for the job. I would probably even support Hillary over McCain. I've always admired Hillary for her passion, doing what she thinks is right in the face of Right-wing criticism, and being far more moderate than what most people give her credit for with the exception of health care and a couple other issues.

But when it comes down to Obama vs. McCain, my mind is made up that McCain is the wiser choice. To me I don't understand the Obama appeal. He's new, he's a rock star, and he makes great speeches. But his policy details are extremely to the left, he doesn't understand the inherent problems in talking to North Korea and Iran and other foreign policy issues, he's for completely open borders, more extreme redistribution of the wealth than Hillary, the fastest withdrawal from the Middle East, we'll see his honesty on whether or not he accepts private funds or public financing of the election. On tough issues he has a record of voting 'Present' in Illinois. I may change my mind before November, but Obama worries me as a citizen because he talks like a moderate but when he has a policy, is an extreme liberal in every sense, socially, economically, foreign policy. I think so far, not a lot has been known about him and he's found success because it's presumed that he's an average man that came out of nowhere, but in reality, he strikes me as the far-left candidate that's been in state politics for many years and is another entitled, Ivy league law school grad politician.

In McCain I think although he's courting conservatives now, the past 4 years has shown us that he's a moderate in every sense of the word. One of his main tenets is eliminating pork-barrel spending and finishing the job in Iraq now that we're there. I was against it from the beginning, but I also think it would be wrong to leave Iraq unprepared for the challenges posed by Iran and an impending civil war. Unpopular in the Republican party, he understands global warming and the benefit of Stem Cell Research. I could go on, and it's just my opinion, but I agree with McCain on far more issues than Obama even though he's not the flashiest, newest cat in town.
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Old 02-20-2008, 08:33 PM
 
Location: Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania USA
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According to many "experts" the cost of the war is nowhere near as scary or potentially devestating to the economy as health care and social security.
Do your "experts" account for the human cost of war, or is that toll just acceptable collateral damage?
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Old 02-20-2008, 08:36 PM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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According to many "experts" the cost of the war is nowhere near as scary or potentially devestating to the economy as health care and social security.
Yes. Killing hundreds of thousands of people IS a lot cheaper than healing millions and making sure people age with some shred of dignity. But what happens to that money you saved as you rot in hell?
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Old 02-20-2008, 08:37 PM
 
Location: Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania USA
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How can anyone even consider voting for Obama when he's ...

--Obama goes to a "black power" church.

--Obama's minister has ties to Farrakan.

--Obama's father was a Muslim and Obama was an outright Muslim for some time. How do you know he's not a Muslim sympathizer?

--Can you wonder why so many muslim groups including muslim factions overseas are endorsing Obama?

You know Hitler and Stalin preached "change" too and they also had women put up to doing fake faintings at their rallies. Obama's been caught setting people up to do fake faintings at his rallies.
WOW! Are you off your meds?
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Old 02-20-2008, 09:37 PM
 
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I picked the worst one which is obama, maybe he can help destroy whats left of the empire. one can always hope.
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Old 02-21-2008, 04:32 AM
 
Location: Tolland County- Northeastern CT
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Obama may lean pretty far to the left- however after nearly 30 years of hard right corporate and social fascism in this country starting in 1980- but really starting with Nixon in 1968- a swing to the left may actually be just a pendulum drop to the center.

Frankly, a moderate like Mr. McCain may not be able to correct the many inequalities of the last couple of decades created by the far right- a sort of Social Darwinism that takes no prisoners and has no empathy for the weaker among us.

With a faltering economy that is likely in a recession, that may deepen- and with most of the social safety nets pulled out from many to give more to the rich, as extreme as Mr. Obama's or Mrs Clinton's leftist views may be- many people might be willing to choose them over McCain's approach, which may be too timid for the times.

After all FDR was called a socialist in 1932, among many other things- views his opponents had said would destroy the free enterprise system. The Extreme measures he took, where mostly moderate, to correct the inaction of decades to provide more social and economic security after a protracted period of far too much corporate power, with a small percentage of Americans having too much money and putting nothing back in.

Mr. McCain may represent the status Quo- which now may not be enough.
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Old 02-21-2008, 04:41 AM
 
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Yes. Killing hundreds of thousands of people IS a lot cheaper than healing millions and making sure people age with some shred of dignity. But what happens to that money you saved as you rot in hell?
Well said!

I tried to give you a positive rep, but the forum said I have to "spread some reputation around" before giving you another...
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Old 02-21-2008, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Far Western KY
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After all FDR was called a socialist in 1932, among many other things- views his opponents had said would destroy the free enterprise system. The Extreme measures he took, where mostly moderate, to correct the inaction of decades to provide more social and economic security after a protracted period of far too much corporate power, with a small percentage of Americans having too much money and putting nothing back in.
FDR was a closet socialist and we're still paying threw the nose for his "NEW DEAL" the biggest out lay of money this country puts forth is directly tracable to the plans put forth by FDR ...
Clinton and Obama are more of the same and it will bankrupt this country more so than it already is. I'm not trilled with McCain but the socialist attitude of the left are just scary.They talk about giving the store away, but they never talk about how to pay of it.
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Old 02-21-2008, 09:08 AM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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FDR was a closet socialist and we're still paying threw the nose for his "NEW DEAL" the biggest out lay of money this country puts forth is directly tracable to the plans put forth by FDR ...
Clinton and Obama are more of the same and it will bankrupt this country more so than it already is. I'm not trilled with McCain but the socialist attitude of the left are just scary.They talk about giving the store away, but they never talk about how to pay of it.
Uh...How were things being "paid for" from 2000-2006 when the right was in charge of EVERYTHING? Things actually WERE being paid for when a "socialist leftie" was vetoing spending bills in the 90's.
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Old 02-21-2008, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Boise
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Both are honest man and both will reduce spending and work with the other party.

Voting Obama.
Reduce spending? Have you actually looked at Obama's plans?
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