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Old 08-07-2016, 09:06 AM
 
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The GOP will have to change or the party will lose a lot of influence. The conservatives are destroying the party trying to "purify" it. If someone doesn't hold every conservative belief they are labeled rinos and basically ostracized. The GOP is losing power and influence because they have forgotten they are the big tent party, they are a coalition of factions that have many common goals. But keep kicking us moderates and libertarians to the curb, and you will have a tough time winning, and I for one could care less.

Then on top of that, they nominate Trump, who really isn't conservative, he just holds a lot of random extreme positions. He not unifying anything. He's made every problem the GOP had magnified. Maybe Trump is needed, he's going to lose in a landslide and then the GOP can regather itself. Hopefully the conservatives can stop being hostile to the political factions who should be their allies.
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Old 08-07-2016, 09:08 AM
 
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The last Republican President to leave the nation in better economic shape than he found it was Eisenhower.

This level-headed, WWII general led a nation recovering from war. He championed the interstate system, crucial to interstate commerce as well as expanding employment options.

Then somehow things went off the rails for Republican Presidents.

Nixon resigned rather than being impeached over Watergate. Then there was Gerald Ford, bless his heart.

Ronald Reagan was an actor who gave an adequate performance of a wise elder leading the nation, when in fact he retold countless things that simply were not true, like trickle-down economics, and his overseas heroics, when in fact he spent the entire war in Culver City making movies. He confused movie making fantasy with real life.

Republicans have continued in this preference for fantasy ever since.

For example, there is a fantasy that the government should dictate which women have access to birth control and abortions and which women don't while claiming they are for less government intrusion into our lives.

There is a fantasy that the Saudis were not involved in the 9/11 attacks.

The George W. Bush administration kept 29 pages of the congressional Joint Report on 9/11 confidential, claiming there were a threat to national security. These pages are about links between the Saudis and the terrorists.

'28 pages': Indirect 9/11 link to Saudi Arabia's Bandar revealed - CNNPolitics.com

Who could have seen that coming?

Republicans wave flags and claim they support a strong military, a strong defense, yet cut funding for embassy security, refuse to adequately fund veterans services...

Iran/Contra, "I am not a crook,"...

GOP has been running a con job.

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Old 08-07-2016, 09:19 AM
 
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For decades now, the right wing coalition has been trying to make the nation over in their vision by vilifying Democrats as corrupt, lying, murderers who will spend us into bankruptcy.

The data indicates quite the opposite.

"You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time." Abraham Lincoln
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Old 08-07-2016, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Mount Dora, FL
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Oh, please. Palin was Gov. of AK, and before that held public Office.

"RomneyCare" was on a State level, and was not similar. Besides, he never advocated for ObamaCare.

Trump is not a liar, and he is very likable. Just ask those who know him (and many have testified to this fact) He is far more likable than Hillary, who isn't just a liar, she is a DAMNED LIAR.

And I will add, Hillary is in bed with the Muslim Brotherhood, a terrorist organization whose reach is worldwide, covering every continent.
Palin was without question the dumbest, most ignorant politician to ever grace the stage until Donald Duck, I mean Trump, entered this year.
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Old 08-07-2016, 09:46 AM
 
Location: North America
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The GOP can't pick who ends up voting for people. Their biggest issue was putting up so many candidates that allowed Trump to win. Had you of had 2-3 others in the start he never would of ended up winning. It's the fact that you had 12 to start with when Iowa voted and so many of them hung on past the point candidates normally dropped out and thus splitting the vote.
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Old 08-07-2016, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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I don't think any party limits the number of people who can run for their nomination. And I'm not convinced they should.

I think the large number of candidates for the R nomination the last few cycles is a symptom of GOP fracturing, not the cause.

Registered Rs could have lined up behind Kasich. It's Trump they chose.
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Old 08-07-2016, 10:01 AM
 
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Oh, please. Palin was Gov. of AK, and before that held public Office.

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Trump is not a liar, and he is very likable.
Alaskan politics is just different. Watch Sarah Palin for 15 minutes and imagine President Palin. Just thinking about it makes you feel sorry for the UN translators.

As for lying, Donald Trump is a world champion, with approximately 70% of what he utters being judged as untrue or mostly untrue by fact checking sources.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/07/op...lies.html?_r=0

Likeable? Matter of perspective. Imagine living next door to the man.

Now imagine President Trump.

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Old 08-07-2016, 10:05 AM
 
Location: North America
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Seriously, considering the Dems had nothing to offer this time after cheating Bernie, and the GOP had lost running establishment candidates, Trump makes perfect sense. The Dems were not willing to shake it up and run someone that was worthy of the position, so they get what they cheated to get.

No death wish, at least not for their party or anyone in their party.

The Republican started their death spiral in 2008 and Trump is the necessary change to get them back on track.
Yes, except they got Trump. Had Trump simply brandished his populist message akin to Ronald Reagan we would be talking about what a Trump presidency would look like right now. His divisive nature is what is ruining things. Which will turn it into a death wish because the traditional conservatives will work to purge his influence from the party after the election.
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Old 08-07-2016, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Florida
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It is not going to help the GOP that neoNazis and white supremacists are now quite publicly endorsing Trump. If that movement becomes associated the GOP, good luck with the Big Tent myth, which Trump is already destroying.

"...Top Nazi leader: Trump will be a ‘real opportunity’ for white nationalists...

...“We have a wonderful OPPORTUNITY here folks, that may never come again, at the RIGHT time,” Suhayda wrote, according to Buzzfeed. “Donald Trump’s campaign statements, if nothing else, have SHOWN that ‘our views’ are NOT so ‘unpopular’ as the Political Correctness crowd have told everyone they are!”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.00d1447788b4
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Old 08-07-2016, 10:08 AM
 
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The Republicans can definitely repair their image if Trump loses, the reason being that Trump is NOT A PARTY MEMBER. If he was one, an elected official with real power in the GOP, the damage could be far longer lasting. The GOP will easily turn around and say he was an interloper who hijacked the GOP and doesn't representative some of the party views. Paul Ryan and GOP officials have done a good job in calling him out so far on his racist remarks.

The problem they have though is that a lot of these Trump supporters will back Ted Cruz in 2020 (don't listen to all the hype about them wanting revenge on him, honestly most of them have a memory of a goldfish, they're ok with Trump support for democrats and will see Cruz as the main guy to destroy GOP come 2020, and all will be forgotten).

Hannity, Ingraham, Bolling will firmly in Cruz's camp come 2020. "Did we give you hard time in 2016 Ted? Sorry don't remember that. Go out and destroy GOPe!!!"

Cruz will be the big big threat in 2020. The GOP must avoid lining up 15 establishment candidates or Cruz will be the nominee. There's only room for one against him.
I firmly believe that Cruz could defeat Clinton in 2020. Cruz is a very savvy politician who understands the importance of data-driven campaigning. And Clinton will likely be quite unpopular four years from now.
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