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Old 02-20-2008, 11:58 AM
 
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The only thing Obama will do is jack up taxes on every body. So if you and your wife are teachers and earn a combined 65k a year, you'll be considered rich and will get hit hard with taxes.

Obama will push social policies that will disenfranchise euro-Americans. is this an empty statement? Absolutely not. Obama's church is tied to Farrakan. He'll open up the flood gates to more impoverished, uneducated, waring tribal people. He'll be pumping tons of tax payer money into Africa and elsewhere. (see his poverty act bill and read up on what Kenya's elite are saying about Obama and his obligations to kenya.)

Obama will push us further into a police state.

Etc.,
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Old 02-20-2008, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Washington state
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Perhaps a wsj article on how Obama will promote our renaissance as a surplus producer instead of a hopeless indebted consumer nation through tax cuts for small business owners and people wanting to build factories? Nah, ain't gonna find that either.
I doubt you will find the WSJ endorsing any Democrat's policies, their right wing politics have been well established.

Isn't it interesting how the Obama bashers complain about no substance. Then, when the substance is supplied they claim they don't like it. Why not just be honest, say you're a Republican and stop with the straw men.

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Old 02-20-2008, 12:03 PM
 
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Now that Obama's campaign staff has come out and explained that some things are "a goal, not a policy" -- how many of those things you've listed are GOALS versus POLICIES?

Speaking of which -- isn't that like Super Duper Double Speak "a goal, not a policy"?
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Old 02-20-2008, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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I doubt you will find the WSJ endorsing any Democrat's policies, their right wing politics have been well established.

Isn't interesting how the Obama bashers complain about no substance. Then, when the substance is supplied they claim they don't like it. Why not just be honest, say you're a Republican and stop with the straw men.
Ah, c'mon...indugle me with PBS business article? Please? OK, I'll go easy: an ultra-librul NPR business editorial endorsing Obama on either the monetary or entrepeneurial issue.

I'd actually rather have Obama than McCain for lesser of evils, but I've never voted for lesser of evils and never will. I prefer to limit my selling out when it only affects me McCain wants a 0% Fed rate and that ain't no good.

Nice of you to assume, however. There are some who think, and some that are knee jerk.
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Old 02-20-2008, 12:08 PM
 
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The bottom line however, is he is in favor of increased government regulation and redistributing wealth from wealthy to poor. I just can't subscribe to it.
Redistribution of wealth is the very nature of a credit-based economy.

Seems to me you're just against credit-based economy, and therefore against capitalism. Is this so/
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Old 02-20-2008, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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Uh, perhaps a bloomberg editorial touting Obama's wish to establish a strong monetary policy? Nah, ain't gonna find it.

Perhaps a wsj article on how Obama will promote our renaissance as a surplus producer instead of a hopeless indebted consumer nation through tax cuts for small business owners and people wanting to build factories? Nah, ain't gonna find that either.
Sigh. You seem to want to argue about someone else's ideas? Ron Paul is not in it anymore. This thread is not about Ron Paul. Aren't you the person that said there was no disease and no Depressions in the 19th Century? Then changed your story to say that there was disease, but it was caused by the government? Should you have ANY leg to stand on after those statements?

You have a wonderful ability to take things way off topic. I guess I am to blame for joining you. Let's get back on it, eh?

Obama is full of substance. Period.
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Old 02-20-2008, 12:11 PM
 
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The only thing Obama will do is jack up taxes on every body. So if you and your wife are teachers and earn a combined 65k a year, you'll be considered rich and will get hit hard with taxes.
Where in his policies has he advocated re-instituting the marriage penalty tax? Where has he set the threshold at $65K? Methinks you're going on pure speculation here.
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Obama will push social policies that will disenfranchise euro-Americans. is this an empty statement? Absolutely not. Obama's church is tied to Farrakan. He'll open up the flood gates to more impoverished, uneducated, waring tribal people. He'll be pumping tons of tax payer money into Africa and elsewhere. (see his poverty act bill and read up on what Kenya's elite are saying about Obama and his obligations to kenya.)

Obama will push us further into a police state.

Etc.,
So now you're buying the Farrakan connection, are you?

And if you're against pumping the money into Africa, would you please explain how that would be any worse than the current policy of pumping money into Europe under the Marshall Plan, or into the Middle East (including Egypt AND Israel)?

Is the blog that's spoon-feeding you this stuff remembering to wipe your chin and make you wear a bib?
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Old 02-20-2008, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Sigh. You seem to want to argue about someone else's ideas? Ron Paul is not in it anymore. This thread is not about Ron Paul. Aren't you the person that said there was no disease and no Depressions in the 19th Century? Then changed your story to say that there was disease, but it was caused by the government? Should you have ANY leg to stand on after those statements?

You have a wonderful ability to take things way off topic. I guess I am to blame for joining you. Let's get back on it, eh?

Obama is full of substance. Period.
Yes, and you are also the one who relies on Keynesian economics to make your point and stating that FDR's New Deal helped to get out of a depression when it coincidentally only recovered after we fought WW2 and sacrificed on a consumer level. Ah, how refreshing it is to know that free market forces always trump government "fixing".

Using Obama's site to prove one's thesis must be refreshingly delicious, just like a nice cold glass of ...

http://ooc.caltech.edu/images/koolaid.jpg (broken link)
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Old 02-20-2008, 12:14 PM
 
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Here is some substance. Let us know if you have any questions when you are done reading.
That isn't substance, those are hyperlinks.

Substance is when you take his ideas, put them into your own words, and debate against people who have opinions that *might* be different from yours.


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Obama is full of substance. Period.
Yeah, I agree, Obama is full of... some certain substance.
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Old 02-20-2008, 12:17 PM
 
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That isn't substance, those are hyperlinks.

Substance is when you take his ideas, put them into your own words, and debate against people who have opinions that *might* be different from yours.
The claim often made, and made by the OP, is that Senator Obama doesn't have substance. Hence, the links to his positions. The poster may or may not have substance. That's an entirely different subject.
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