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Old 08-11-2016, 08:16 AM
 
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Oh good. Eight more years of a crappy economy accompanied by questionable statistics from the Labor Department to cover Democrats failures and to be regurgitated on CD and the MSM.
I will take eight more years like the last ones over the eight that preceded it.
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Old 08-11-2016, 08:17 AM
 
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Surely you don't believe those BS numbers that countless economists have said are total BS!


And how about some FULLTIME jobs paying A LIVING WAGE?
Obamacare killed full time jobs. No business wants to say it because the DOJ will be all over them.
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Old 08-11-2016, 08:19 AM
 
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Anyone ,who actually reads my posts, knows very well that I am against BOTH PARTIES/ALL POLITICIANS
and I have always said that they are "all" corrupt thieves that are only out to feather their owns nests on our dimes!


I have posted plenty against Trump, as well, however I don't believe he is a serious contender in it to win, but a Clinton shill!


I was hoping for real change with Bernie, but he sold out for a new $300,00. home, and possibly because he was allowed to live.
Wow, and you were sounding so sane there for a minute...

(Psst: Bernie lost because he got three million less votes than Hillary. Facts are inconvenient things, huh?)
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Old 08-11-2016, 08:42 AM
 
Location: north central Ohio
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Wow, and you were sounding so sane there for a minute...

Can't say the same for you!
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Old 08-11-2016, 08:47 AM
 
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Election 2016: If you want to know how bankrupt the Democratic Party is today of pro-growth ideas, check out Hillary Clinton's latest speech on the economy. She has absolutely nothing new to offer that President Obama hasn't already tried.


Clinton admits in her speech that things aren't all they should be in the economy after seven-plus year of Obamanomics. "The challenges we face are significant," she said. She even took a couple subtle digs at Obama, complaining about "long-term neglect" of poor communities and the fact that the unemployment gap between blacks and whites has been widening, whereas it was narrowing when her husband was in the White House.


So what are the "big, bold" ideas she said she'd implement that will "drive growth"? Spend more money on infrastructure, raise taxes on the rich, impose more mandates on businesses that raise the cost of labor, make college cheaper and saddle the economy with more regulations.


Is Clinton really not aware that this is exactly what Obama prescribed, and that his policies have produced the worst economic recovery in history?
Hillary: I'll Fix Obama's Lousy Economy By Applying More Of His Failed Policies | Stock News & Stock Market Analysis - IBD


What is really weird is that all those who hated Mohammed Obama's guts for the last eight years ....are now suddenly claiming they want more of the SOS! Proof of just how valuable tin foil hats are, to protect one from all that propaganda BS!
Ignoring the fact that the economy is actually doing pretty darn good right now...

Can you list for me the issues you perceive with the current economy and which of Trumps proposals are designed to address those issues?
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Old 08-11-2016, 09:49 AM
 
Location: north central Ohio
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Ignoring the fact that the economy is actually doing pretty darn good right now...

Can you list for me the issues you perceive with the current economy and which of Trumps proposals are designed to address those issues?


That is total BS and government propaganda! More and more foreign countries are refusing to deal with the worthless American dollar! Some are even refusing to accept traveler's American credit cards, because they pay in American dollars! So you better check before you travel abroad!


Unemployment and underemployment
http://stateofworkingamerica.org/gre...deremployment/
More Americans than ever before are not working with 92 MILLION people out of the workforce
The share of Americans in the workforce has sunk to its lowest point in 35 years
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4H2Xymu6N

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Old 08-11-2016, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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I bet this mindset might be effective IF the economy hadn't significantly improved from the last time your party had power and Obama's approval ratings weren't so high. I bet that really hurts. All of you devoting eight years to take down our president, obstructing him at every turn, blaming him for absolutely everything, and going full birther, and he still has higher approval than your beloved Reagen. You basically wasted the last eight years of your life on that. Now, it looks like you will waste another four on Clinton.
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Old 08-11-2016, 10:00 AM
 
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I will take eight more years like the last ones over the eight that preceded it.
What people are willing to settle for when told this is the best we can do. Others think we can do better by not killing industries and jobs by raising taxes and becoming socialist.
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Old 08-11-2016, 10:40 AM
 
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That is total BS and government propaganda! More and more foreign countries are refusing to deal with the worthless American dollar! Some are even refusing American credit cards, because they pay in American dollars.
Source? The US dollar is the strongest it's been in 13 years. This article from June 2016 explains the pros and cons of an extremely strong US dollar...

The U.S. dollar is stronger than it's been in 13 years. That's bad.

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The main reason is the U.S. economy is doing better — not necessarily better compared to its own historical performance, but better compared to everyone else these days. And when the economy is doing (at least relatively) well, that makes it an attractive investment opportunity: Putting money into U.S. ventures and business is more likely to earn you a better return. But to invest in the U.S. economy you need U.S. dollars. So demand for U.S. dollars goes up relative to other currencies, and the U.S. dollar gets stronger.
Translation...the US economy is not the strongest it's ever been, but it is very strong relative to the rest of the world and that is making investment in the US a very attractive venture and leading to a very strong US dollar.

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Unemployment and underemployment
Unemployment and underemployment | State of Working America
More Americans than ever before are not working with 92 MILLION people out of the workforce
The share of Americans in the workforce has sunk to its lowest point in 35 years
Read more: More Americans than ever before are not working: 92 million people out of the workforce | Daily Mail Online
Do you actually read what you link?

The Daily Mail article is from 2014. Among the 92 million cited, they are including ALL PEOPLE who don't work, which includes children and senior citizens. The senior citizen block is expanding rapidly as the boomers age.

Now, we can use your other source to extrapolate that about 27 million people as of May 2015 are unemployed or underemployed. So, about 1/3rd of the ZOMG THE SKY IS FALLING number from the Daily Mail actually matters.

If we use your own provided numbers the unemployment rate peaked at 15.35% in 2010 and the longterm unemployment rate (percentage of unemployed who had been out of work six months or more) peaked at about 45% in 2011. As of the latest data in the chart (May 2015) unemployment was at 8.67% and the longterm rate was at 25%. Both represent a near halving of the unemployment rate in a span of 4 years.

Even your own data testifies to the vast improvements in the economy over the term of the Obama administration and we are now a full year better than when your dataset ended. In fact based on the comparison of numbers this sites data would probably report the actual unemployment rate at around 6%.

Now, there are plenty of people "underemployed", there always has been and the share of them increased as the economy tanked and has followed a general recovery. However, what is also true is that many of those underemployed need to be retrained to re-enter the workforce full time. Trumps plans do nothing to address this.

Coal country is the perfect example. Coal isn't coming back...it's simple market economics, which I would think Republicans would understand. Coal is not only dirty, it's expensive. The US is a MASSIVE producer of natural gas which burns cleaner and cheaper. Power plants that used to run on coal are converting to natural gas. Short of the government paying subsidies to keep coal mining viable...THOSE JOBS ARE NEVER COMING BACK! Hillary has a plan to help those people learn skills and transform their local economies. Trump does not.
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Old 08-11-2016, 10:42 AM
 
Location: north central Ohio
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What people are willing to settle for when told this is the best we can do. Others think we can do better by not killing industries and jobs by raising taxes and becoming socialist.

Mohammed Obama's mentors~ Saul Alinsky, Jerimiah Wright, and Frank Marshall Davis, were Communist Marxists ,not socialists!
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