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Old 02-20-2008, 04:37 PM
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Location: Pennsylvania
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Why do you think their primary turnout numbers have been so low? They hate their candidate. Others among them feel betrayed by the fiscal irresponsibilities of Bush and the current crop of Republicans in Congress.
Yep. That's why at least 29 of them are not running for re-election.

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A large number of Republicans ARE unhappy - intensely so in fact - some of them so much so that they want to teach their party a lessen or have given up on it completely.
I think this is far more limited to the Right-wing evangelicals than is being publicised, by and large. What we are seeing in the Republican party, I believe, is the purging of the last remainder of the "afterbirth" of the antichrist that was/is the radical evangelical 'christian' right wing's "Contract on America".
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Old 02-20-2008, 05:07 PM
 
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Here's a new article on what I'd been reading on other blogs. The Republicans are purposely supporting Obama in the primaries so they can face him instead of Hillary.

Is the Obama candidacy Karl Rove's ultimate swiftboat ad? (http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/2008Election.html - broken link)

An excerpt from the article:
rank and file Republicans in red states have switched their party registrations, enabling them to vote in Democratic primaries. Some states, like Virginia and Texas, have open primaries, allowing citizens to vote for any candidate regardless of party affiliation. In Nebraska, the mayor of Omaha publicly rallied Republicans to caucus for Obama on February 9th. Called crossover voting, the tactic is playing a crucial role in the Rove push to deprive Clinton of the Democratic nomination.

If, on the other hand, Obama wins the nomination (or even the VP spot), Rove's prospects brighten considerably. Largely unvetted by the media, the self-described agent of change carries considerable baggage from his stint as a state legislator, particularly his long-running relationship with a notorious Chicago slumlord named Tony Rezko. So far, the mainstream press has paid lip service to the affair and instead portrayed Obama as a fresh new face in American politics. The author of the Time magazine article, Jay Newton-Small, offered the following explanation to account for the bizarre love affair G.O.P. voters say they're having with an African American senator on the other side of the aisle. "It seems a lot of Republicans took to heart Obama's statement in his rousing speech at the 2004 Democratic National Convention that 'there is not a liberal America and a conservative America there is the United States of America.'"

Is he kidding? The conservative publication National Journal claims Obama's voting record is the most liberal in the senate.
The same Karl Rove that was supposedly going to bring about a generation of Republican domination? The same Karl Rove that helped the current President become so popular? The same Karl Rove that was going to orchestrate Republican victory in 2006? The same Karl...oh whatever...

This is so hilarious and shows the absolute and utter desperation that Hillary and her most ardent supports are now in right now. Sad actually...
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Old 02-20-2008, 05:15 PM
 
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The polls of registered Democrats have been showing Obama winning as well. How are these Republicans that are purposely supporting Obama managing to doctor those, could it be crossover poll results?
I don't know about all the states, but in California, you have to be a Democrat or an Independent to vote in the Democratic primary. Hillary won by a large margin.

If you go over to some of the more extreme "wingnut" websites, you'll see a lot of threads advocating crossover voting for the primaries. You may not want to believe it, but there are Republicans crossing over to vote for Obama in the primary then planning to vote for McCain in the general election.
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Old 02-20-2008, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Washington state
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I don't know about all the states, but in California, you have to be a Democrat or an Independent to vote in the Democratic primary. Hillary won by a large margin.

If you go over to some of the more extreme "wingnut" websites, you'll see a lot of threads advocating crossover voting for the primaries. You may not want to believe it, but there are Republicans crossing over to vote for Obama in the primary then planning to vote for McCain in the general election.
Obama won last night by 17%, must be all Republicans. All you Hillary supporters give me a break and stop whining.

Almost every single poll, some by significant margins, shows Obama doing better head to head against McCain. Are Democrats just supposed to ignore that? Electability is an issue and don't kid yourself, Republicans would rather run against Hillary. The Clinton supporters are so desperate they're grabbing at straws, how pathetic.
RealClearPolitics - Election 2008 - National Polls
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Old 02-20-2008, 05:25 PM
 
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McCain is clearly a centrist Republican. Why do you think so many Republicans are as pissed at him? That is a distinct plus for Democratic leaning centrists such as myself and a large number of other Hillary supporters.

If the ultra-liberal Socialist faction of the Democratic party continues to choose to nominate an unelectable general election candidate, McCain is where we'll go.
Yep. That's why McCain has my vote if Hillary isn't the candidate.

This really ticks me off. Rove should have been in prison for treason for his part in the Plame affair!!!!
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Old 02-20-2008, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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Yep. That's why McCain has my vote if Hillary isn't the candidate.
So you are going to go from supporting Hillary to voting for McCain. Is that based on policy similarities?
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Old 02-20-2008, 05:34 PM
 
Location: Turn Left at Greenland
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Just finished reading the article .. wow, great find. Reps to you. Proves the double standards at work here.
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Old 02-20-2008, 05:37 PM
 
Location: Washington state
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Some of the Republican activists registered as Democrats for the primaries so they WOULD show up on Dem. rolls. Primary rules differ from state to state -- in some they would have to do this, in others they could simply ask for a Dem. ballot. In the general election, of course, party affiliation doesn't matter.
Hey, today the Teamsters endorsed Obama, I bet it's all a Republican plot.

You Hillary supporters are funny when things don't go your way.
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Old 02-20-2008, 05:46 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Whining? no. Simply pointing out that Obama may be a tool AND the fact that you cannot count on the votes of Hillary supporters OR Republican activists if he wins the nomination.
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Old 02-20-2008, 05:49 PM
 
Location: Old Town Alexandria
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Thumbs down Rove is a traitor

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Originally Posted by teatime View Post
Here's a new article on what I'd been reading on other blogs. The Republicans are purposely supporting Obama in the primaries so they can face him instead of Hillary.

Is the Obama candidacy Karl Rove's ultimate swiftboat ad? (http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/2008Election.html - broken link)

An excerpt from the article:
rank and file Republicans in red states have switched their party registrations, enabling them to vote in Democratic primaries. Some states, like Virginia and Texas, have open primaries, allowing citizens to vote for any candidate regardless of party affiliation. In Nebraska, the mayor of Omaha publicly rallied Republicans to caucus for Obama on February 9th. Called crossover voting, the tactic is playing a crucial role in the Rove push to deprive Clinton of the Democratic nomination.

If, on the other hand, Obama wins the nomination (or even the VP spot), Rove's prospects brighten considerably. Largely unvetted by the media, the self-described agent of change carries considerable baggage from his stint as a state legislator, particularly his long-running relationship with a notorious Chicago slumlord named Tony Rezko. So far, the mainstream press has paid lip service to the affair and instead portrayed Obama as a fresh new face in American politics. The author of the Time magazine article, Jay Newton-Small, offered the following explanation to account for the bizarre love affair G.O.P. voters say they're having with an African American senator on the other side of the aisle. "It seems a lot of Republicans took to heart Obama's statement in his rousing speech at the 2004 Democratic National Convention that 'there is not a liberal America and a conservative America there is the United States of America.'"

Is he kidding? The conservative publication National Journal claims Obama's voting record is the most liberal in the senate.

Isn't Rove in jail yet for treason?
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