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Old 02-20-2008, 03:39 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Here's a new article on what I'd been reading on other blogs. The Republicans are purposely supporting Obama in the primaries so they can face him instead of Hillary.

Is the Obama candidacy Karl Rove's ultimate swiftboat ad? (http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/2008Election.html - broken link)

An excerpt from the article:
rank and file Republicans in red states have switched their party registrations, enabling them to vote in Democratic primaries. Some states, like Virginia and Texas, have open primaries, allowing citizens to vote for any candidate regardless of party affiliation. In Nebraska, the mayor of Omaha publicly rallied Republicans to caucus for Obama on February 9th. Called crossover voting, the tactic is playing a crucial role in the Rove push to deprive Clinton of the Democratic nomination.

If, on the other hand, Obama wins the nomination (or even the VP spot), Rove's prospects brighten considerably. Largely unvetted by the media, the self-described agent of change carries considerable baggage from his stint as a state legislator, particularly his long-running relationship with a notorious Chicago slumlord named Tony Rezko. So far, the mainstream press has paid lip service to the affair and instead portrayed Obama as a fresh new face in American politics. The author of the Time magazine article, Jay Newton-Small, offered the following explanation to account for the bizarre love affair G.O.P. voters say they're having with an African American senator on the other side of the aisle. "It seems a lot of Republicans took to heart Obama's statement in his rousing speech at the 2004 Democratic National Convention that 'there is not a liberal America and a conservative America — there is the United States of America.'"

Is he kidding? The conservative publication National Journal claims Obama's voting record is the most liberal in the senate.
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Old 02-20-2008, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Washington state
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The polls of registered Democrats have been showing Obama winning as well. How are these Republicans that are purposely supporting Obama managing to doctor those, could it be crossover poll results?
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Old 02-20-2008, 03:54 PM
BVH
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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I believe this to be a very real and probable possibility. In addition, there is some obvious sexism at play too. This is evidenced by the large percentages of white men voting for Obama.

While Obama is all googly-eyed about that at the moment, I'm willing to bet cash money some of those same white men will not vote for him in the general election because he's black. To some people, especially men, sexism is a kissing cousin to racism. Sexism might be #1 in their viewpoints, but racism is definately #2.

As much as it pains me to give Karl Rove ANY credit for anything, I think he is absolutely on point here. Fortunately, anybody with half a brain has already thought about this, so, all the credit is not his alone. Obama has done best in traditionally Republican states which is just absurd.

I stand by my earlier assertion: Obama will be TROUNCED in the general if he's the nominee because:

A. The reasons stated above
B. There WILL be a flight of Democrats from Obama to McCain. Most likely centrists and moderates, but, potentially a large number of older women as well.
C. The Republicans will tear his ultra-liberal voting record to shreds. I am shocked he was able to get such a liberal record anyway, because he votes so rarely. It's obvious that he's been running for President since 2004 and the Senate was just a nescessary pit-stop.
D. There IS dirt on him somewhere and it will be found.
E. He has already begun playing the dirty old politics he so adamently "hopes" to end.

I imagine the only people who don't believe that this is a possibility are the same people who believe that 143 million pounds of beef were recalled simply due to allegations cruelty to animals.
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Old 02-20-2008, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Turn Left at Greenland
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Why am I not surprised that Kaptain Karl may, not definitely, but MAY have a role in this debacle?
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Old 02-20-2008, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Moose Jaw, in between the Moose's butt and nose.
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This is just BS beyond BS. Rove does not belong in presidential
politics, he belongs in jail.
I just wish the democrats would have the same mentality, but
I cannot imagine anyone on their side, who would tell their crowd
to vote for say, Romney (when he was in it) since he would be the
best chance for a dem victory.
Maybe Rove knows that this country sadly, is too racist to elect a
black president.
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Old 02-20-2008, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Bergen County, NJ
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Originally Posted by BVH View Post
I believe this to be a very real and probable possibility. In addition, there is some obvious sexism at play too. This is evidenced by the large percentages of white men voting for Obama.

While Obama is all googly-eyed about that at the moment, I'm willing to bet cash money some of those same white men will not vote for him in the general election because he's black. To some people, especially men, sexism is a kissing cousin to racism. Sexism might be #1 in their viewpoints, but racism is definately #2.

As much as it pains me to give Karl Rove ANY credit for anything, I think he is absolutely on point here. Fortunately, anybody with half a brain has already thought about this, so, all the credit is not his alone. Obama has done best in traditionally Republican states which is just absurd.

I stand by my earlier assertion: Obama will be TROUNCED in the general if he's the nominee because:

A. The reasons stated above
B. There WILL be a flight of Democrats from Obama to McCain. Most likely centrists and moderates, but, potentially a large number of older women as well.
C. The Republicans will tear his ultra-liberal voting record to shreds. I am shocked he was able to get such a liberal record anyway, because he votes so rarely. It's obvious that he's been running for President since 2004 and the Senate was just a nescessary pit-stop.
D. There IS dirt on him somewhere and it will be found.
E. He has already begun playing the dirty old politics he so adamently "hopes" to end.

I imagine the only people who don't believe that this is a possibility are the same people who believe that 143 million pounds of beef were recalled simply due to allegations cruelty to animals.

While your points are well thought out. I don't think what you envision is going to happen. For one Obama is pretty freaking clean. He really is. His lack of experience works in his favor in that sense. Whatever little dirt there is on him has been dug up, trust me.

Secondly, I don't see a whole bunch of democrats, even if they are to the center or even to the right, going towards McCain. I just don't see it, especially after eight years of Bush.
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Old 02-20-2008, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Texas
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The polls of registered Democrats have been showing Obama winning as well. How are these Republicans that are purposely supporting Obama managing to doctor those, could it be crossover poll results?
Some of the Republican activists registered as Democrats for the primaries so they WOULD show up on Dem. rolls. Primary rules differ from state to state -- in some they would have to do this, in others they could simply ask for a Dem. ballot. In the general election, of course, party affiliation doesn't matter.

When you think about the exit poll demographics, this makes a whole lot of sense. Remember how it's been reported that Obama is getting a HUGE majority of voters earning over $150,000? The mainstream of the Democratic Party has traditionally been comprised of blue-collar and middle class folks.
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Old 02-20-2008, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Turn Left at Greenland
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While your points are well thought out. I don't think what you envision is going to happen. For one Obama is pretty freaking clean. He really is. His lack of experience works in his favor in that sense. Whatever little dirt there is on him has been dug up, trust me.

Secondly, I don't see a whole bunch of democrats, even if they are to the center or even to the right, going towards McCain. I just don't see it, especially after eight years of Bush.
I don't know about that ... Froma Harrop wrote a decent article about it this morning:

Vaporous Obama Turns Off Many Centrists by Froma Harrop on Creators.com - A Syndicate Of Talent
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Old 02-20-2008, 04:06 PM
BVH
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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This is just BS beyond BS. Rove does not belong in presidential
politics, he belongs in jail.
.
I couldn't agree more. His cellies should be Bush and Cheney.
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Old 02-20-2008, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Turn Left at Greenland
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I couldn't agree more. His cellies should be Bush and Cheney.
And Rumsfeld
and Wolfowitz
and Perle
and Rice
and Tenet
and Brownie
and ...
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