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Old 08-17-2016, 09:53 AM
 
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Originally Posted by phxone View Post
I think this move makes it easier to discern what Trump's real plan has been all along. It is obvious to any rational person that he is not going to win the election, even his own people and internal polls have to be telling him the same thing. He had two options post convention, moderate and pivot to the middle or double down on the lunatic populist conservatism. I believe that Trump knew he was never going to win the general election but if he did what it would take to even try he would destroy the branding and fanbase that he just spent time building for himself. He would have been labeled a RINO and sellout in addition to being a failed candidate that helped Hillary become President. By doubling down on the crazy, he will still lose the election but come out of it ideologically pure with a rabid fanbase just waiting for the chance to buy books, listen to talk radio programs and watch "news" with an obvious conservative bias. Trump can now pitch himself as the voice in the wilderness that stayed true to himself, never backed down to the liberal media, and kept it gangsta despite the entire Republican party trying to water him down and make him more PC. His fans will eat that crap up all day long, the first couple of Trump books dealing with topics like the rigged election, media bias and why Hillary should have lost almost write themselves.


Trump never wanted to be President. He was positioning himself as the next conservative media superstar and mogul. Trump used the election process to create an environment where he could hire a few people experienced in conservative media and become the next Rupert Murdoch with his own Trump branded versions of Fox News, right wing talk radio and online media. The Breitbart head is exactly the type of person that Trump needs to help him put this together. Being President only lasts eight years at most, Trump is looking to create a multi-generational legacy as the czar of conservative media. That is why during the entire election process, he has been more concerned with TV ratings and the size of his rally crowds than the polls and voters. It also begins to make sense as to why he was so willing to bump heads with Fox News and people like Megyn Kelly. Trump was trying to taint the Fox News brand for his true believer fans so that they will align themselves with his new post election alternative instead.
Well stated.

This would not surprise me in the least. He's all about himself - always has been and always will be. Stealing Murdoch's crown as the right-wing TV media king would be far more lucrative for his wallet and his ego than the real estate business. It's all about the brand and self-promotion for Trump.

 
Old 08-17-2016, 09:54 AM
 
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and what specifically are the differences between "campaign chairman" and "campaign manager". i'm sure corey lewandowski would love to know.
Lewandowski did nothing. He was just a placeholder while Trump ran the campaign
on his own in the primaries. Corey's problems were too much for his abilities.
Donald stuck with him in the pushing controversy, but after the news of his
affair with Hope Hicks broke, he was baggage. Manafort was brought on to
help before Corey was let go. Corey caused his own problems.

Manafort, Barron, Conway, these are the top 3 now in Trumpland, with other
advisors unofficial, such as Rollins, Gingrich, Ailes, and Michael Glassner.

Btw, HRC has the same overlay of positions in her staff:
Hillary Clinton 2016 campaign staff: The power players - POLITICO
 
Old 08-17-2016, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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I think we can see a doubling down of his aggressive style now though.
Exactly. Basically these hires cater to Trump's natural tendencies. Manafort was an attempt by the RNC to "tame" or package Trump in a more conventional form, but as we saw, it didn't take. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.
 
Old 08-17-2016, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Storrs, CT
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Who else would he need?

Rupert Murdoch?
I think Murdoch will be tied to Fox for the short term. If Trump were to become a media mogul, he would very likely position himself as the "honest" and "pure" conservative alternative. In the process he would be challenging the entire media world, Fox News included. After all, he's made very little distinction between media outlets when he rants on how dishonest and sleazy they are.
 
Old 08-17-2016, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Yeah I don't get the head of Breitbart. What exactly his hiring does for the campaign is beyond me. KellyAnne Conway has experience as a strategist at least. Still, she is well less experience in Presidential campaigns than Manafort. Another article I read said he felt boxed in the last few weeks. Perhaps he wants people close that don't reign him in as much. I'm also guessing that their internal polls are showing the same as the ones we are seeing. Because otherwise there would be no need for yet another campaign shakeup.
There is only one reason why Trump dumped Manafort.
Manafort took the criticism from the RNC seriously, and finally wrangled Trump into the muzzle where he was restrained and more serious over the past few days, on the surface, at least.

But what Trump really wants is a manager who would take the muzzle off and allowed him to go back to his old way again. He just made the last obligatory bow to the GOP we are going to see. Trump will never allow anyone to be the boss of him.

Hiring Manafort was only a passing political necessity in the first place. His first manager, Lewandowski, was getting too many headlines for his tendency to get physical at the rallies, quick temper, and was no manager at all, and is very inarticulate on top of it all.

Manafort was a pro and a smooth talker. professional managers are realists. Trump is no realist, and has never been one.

Bannon is so in the bag for Trump that when Lewandowski shoved one of Bannon's reporters away from Trump, Bannon refused to respond in support of one of his own.

Then, he lost a bunch of his most senior reporters and staff in protest. About the stupidest move ever for a once flourishing website. If Brietbart had been alive, he would have taken Bannon out in the alley and given him a sound thrashing.

Brietbart was smart and savvy. He knew when to turn it on or off instinctively. Bannon has tried and tried to be another Brietbart, but he's a bad imitator, and as a CEO, he just took a leave of absence at a time when he was needed the most.

Once Trump resumes his plunge to the bottom, Bannon will get thrown under the bus too. When it happens, who knows what the Brietbart site will be by then? I hope the guy has some skills collecting garbage or something- he's gonna need them before election day. 82 days left. No time left for another Trump repair job.

Don just slipped another point in the polls. Clinton is now at 49% vs. his 40%. That is Trump's floor. It's all he's ever gonna get.
 
Old 08-17-2016, 10:31 AM
 
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Trump hires head of Breitbart to run his campaign

Trump is turning this into one of his famed 'beauty' pageants and parading these people to walk the runway, wave and do their mandatory pivot, and get their 15 min of fame.

It doesn't matter who signs on to that sinking ship as long as Trump is playing the dual role of both the Captain and the way too large anchor...
 
Old 08-17-2016, 10:33 AM
 
Location: alt reality
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Originally Posted by phxone View Post
I think this move makes it easier to discern what Trump's real plan has been all along. It is obvious to any rational person that he is not going to win the election, even his own people and internal polls have to be telling him the same thing. He had two options post convention, moderate and pivot to the middle or double down on the lunatic populist conservatism. I believe that Trump knew he was never going to win the general election but if he did what it would take to even try he would destroy the branding and fanbase that he just spent time building for himself. He would have been labeled a RINO and sellout in addition to being a failed candidate that helped Hillary become President. By doubling down on the crazy, he will still lose the election but come out of it ideologically pure with a rabid fanbase just waiting for the chance to buy books, listen to talk radio programs and watch "news" with an obvious conservative bias. Trump can now pitch himself as the voice in the wilderness that stayed true to himself, never backed down to the liberal media, and kept it gangsta despite the entire Republican party trying to water him down and make him more PC. His fans will eat that crap up all day long, the first couple of Trump books dealing with topics like the rigged election, media bias and why Hillary should have lost almost write themselves.


Trump never wanted to be President. He was positioning himself as the next conservative media superstar and mogul. Trump used the election process to create an environment where he could hire a few people experienced in conservative media and become the next Rupert Murdoch with his own Trump branded versions of Fox News, right wing talk radio and online media. The Breitbart head is exactly the type of person that Trump needs to help him put this together. Being President only lasts eight years at most, Trump is looking to create a multi-generational legacy as the czar of conservative media. That is why during the entire election process, he has been more concerned with TV ratings and the size of his rally crowds than the polls and voters. It also begins to make sense as to why he was so willing to bump heads with Fox News and people like Megyn Kelly. Trump was trying to taint the Fox News brand for his true believer fans so that they will align themselves with his new post election alternative instead.
Yes, yes, yes. Hit the nail on the head. He has set himself up for a win/win situation. If he wins the election, he gets bragging rights. If he loses, he would still make more money from all the tv and book deals than he ever would just being president. This man has played the republicans like lotto.
 
Old 08-17-2016, 11:05 AM
 
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Per this news article, Trump is going back to his old ways from the primaries. I wonder if this means he will ditch the teleprompter speeches.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...his-own-image/

..."he plans to focus intensely on rousing his voters at rallies and through media appearances."...
 
Old 08-17-2016, 11:20 AM
 
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Campaign in dissaray. His administration would be exactly the same.

You're fired will be a common phrase coming from the White House. Worked in the hotel business.

The likelihood of a Trump Presidency appears farfetched though.

Presidential Maps
Trump presidency would be a DISASTER!!!!! Worse than a dumpster fire! It would be a 5 alarm fire at the junk yard!
 
Old 08-17-2016, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Mount Dora, FL
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Changing people and shuffling around, does not eleminate the "actual things this man thinks" !!!! He's already exposed to the nation and the world, his bigoted view and he's played to the racial inflaming learning, since he first started.
Just because some people "tell him to shut up", does not mean he has changed his mind. It means, they have told him to keep his views hidden and try and dupe the people to think he is not a bigot and a race divider of our society.

Those facts are out there, and Trump doubled down on them,over and over and over, and then as the true shyster he is, then tried to retract it, as if that is suppose to make it go away. "Typical Republican Hoodwinking Schemes".

Will these people ever awaken, and get over this delusion that "He is the Great White Hope" to bring back some delusional imagery and structure of the 1950's !!!!!

This man can't bring jobs back, he could not and would not bring back the production of all the Trump goods with his name on it. And he certainly can't go over talking crap to China or any of the other nations, when China hold nearly 1.5 Trillion of our Debt, and we can't even build a regular house without Chinese Imports, We can't screw two pieces of metal together without Chinese made screws.

What does it take to convince greedy CEO's who are following the dictates of Wall Street, who are determined to support outsourcing, and TRUMP IS ONE OF THEM.

He not only has not brought back any production of the products with his name on it, he does not even discuss it.
He won't show his Tax Returns, because they will expose the extent of his Foreign Entanglement with his products, his building supplies, and all the amenities he sells in his facilities. He may even have foreign financing backing him, which means he owes many favors in places that may not be that suitable or friendly with the US, one example may well be Russian Investors.

Trump figures if he can cajole his way into office and then the truth comes out, then it will be just like filing bankruptcy, there is nothing the people can do at that point to make him accountable.

WAKE UP PEOPLE.... The more of American's that wake up and stand up, then we can do what is needed to ensure that these selective Amnesiac Republicans, don't put us in another destruction cycle. It's been proven too many times that when Republican get the Top Office America Suffers many destructive acts and much devastation across the nation.

We've seen countless times in American what results of damages is done when desperate and scared Right Wingers within white society, especially the Baby Boomers start their Posse call's. The whole nation falls downward and everything in the nations suffers, except the 1%, whom Right Wingers continues to be determine to give them another round of Tax Cuts, when many of them already don't pay their Fair Share. We see under Right Winger Policies, the wealthy do nothing but focus on "hiding money" in Offshore Accounts, while they fleece the people, with games and start begging for another Tax cut, and they never do anything but continue to sell off, close down and outsource American peoples jobs. This is the prime reason we have so many inner cities suffering and so many small town at the point of being bankrupt.

Trump has already damaged International Relation in ways that it will take a lot of work, to restore good relations with progressive function.

One should have been asking why does Trump have a former Russian Campaign person, here in American running his campaign. That should be enough to shake the boots off of thinking minded Americans.

Amen. Well said!
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