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Old 08-20-2016, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Granting citizenship doesn't by default mean we won't have or can't have immigration reform.

 
Old 08-20-2016, 08:10 PM
 
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No, I'm not. Why do you think the GOP never actually does anything about the issue? Because beyond the base that's wild over the idea the vast majority of Americans don't agree with it. There is simply not enough political will over it. So why continue with the fantasy that it's going to happen?



In U.S., 65% Favor Path to Citizenship for Illegal Immigrants


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From your first source. "The poll included larger samples of blacks and Hispanics. Immigration is of special significance to Hispanics, about half of whom are immigrants themselves, according to the poll". Polls can be skewered to gain the desired results. Your second source interchanges illegal aliens with "immigrants" which confuses the issue. I stopped right there.

Why do you think that Trump has so much support? It is mostly due to his stance on illegal immigration. Americans are fed up and want these law breaking invaders out of our country and illegal immigration stopped once and for all.
 
Old 08-20-2016, 08:20 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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From your first source. "The poll included larger samples of blacks and Hispanics. Immigration is of special significance to Hispanics, about half of whom are immigrants themselves, according to the poll".

I stopped right there. Why do you think that Trump has so much support? It is mostly due to his stance on illegal immigration. Americans are fed up and want these law breaking invaders out of our country and illegal immigration stopped once and for all.
Blacks and Hispanics aren't American enough for this poster.

Americans are absolutely NOT in favor of mass deporting 11 million undocumented immigrants. Survey after survey shows that they favor the exact opposite, a path to citizenship.

Quit trying to project your hate onto America as a whole, you're in no position to do so.
 
Old 08-20-2016, 08:22 PM
 
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If Trump is going to lose so handily to Clinton, why does the left go nuts trying to post the most stupid things about him? If they were confident, wouldn't they quietly sit back and not be so damn worried? I think they know it's over for them in spite of their false bravado, fake polls, etc.
^^^^I've asked the anti-Trumps this question many times. All I get in response is crickets chirping. One would think that if they are so sure that Hillary will win, they wouldn't be wasting their time posting nonsense about Trump. However, they seem to have very bad cases of Trump Derangement Syndrome and, I suppose, they just can't help themselves.
 
Old 08-20-2016, 08:38 PM
 
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^^^^I've asked the anti-Trumps this question many times. All I get in response is crickets chirping. One would think that if they are so sure that Hillary will win, they wouldn't be wasting their time posting nonsense about Trump. However, they seem to have very bad cases of Trump Derangement Syndrome and, I suppose, they just can't help themselves.
I think our morbid curiosities preclude us from looking away, or in this case, posting/talking about it.

Everybody loves a good train wreck.
 
Old 08-20-2016, 08:40 PM
 
Location: 23.7 million to 162 million miles North of Venus
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Link please, and not from some Hispanics present there who are just wishful thinking or spinning Trump's position to fit their agenda.
Crickets

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Opps!

Ive suspected for some time now that Trump has been playing the "alt-right" White nationalists for fools ever since it was widely reported that he told the NYT editorial board that he was putting on a show to con the rubes with his supposed hard line stances on illegal immigration, Muslims, etc.

Trumpkins must be devastated right now
How can an off-the-record conversation that was never released by the NYT or by Trump be widely reported?


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If Trump is going to lose so handily to Clinton, why does the left go nuts trying to post the most stupid things about him? If they were confident, wouldn't they quietly sit back and not be so damn worried? I think they know it's over for them in spite of their false bravado, fake polls, etc.
Yep.
 
Old 08-20-2016, 08:50 PM
 
Location: 23.7 million to 162 million miles North of Venus
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From your first source. "The poll included larger samples of blacks and Hispanics. Immigration is of special significance to Hispanics, about half of whom are immigrants themselves, according to the poll". Polls can be skewered to gain the desired results. Your second source interchanges illegal aliens with "immigrants" which confuses the issue. I stopped right there.
I noticed those points too. The first source also interchanged illegals with immigrants. Plus, the first source stated that the poll was based responses from Adults in the US, with no mention of them being actual citizens (I didn't notice what Pew had to say regarding who they got their responses from, since I quit reading when they began interchanging illegals with immigrants).


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Why do you think that Trump has so much support? It is mostly due to his stance on illegal immigration. Americans are fed up and want these law breaking invaders out of our country and illegal immigration stopped once and for all.
 
Old 08-20-2016, 08:53 PM
 
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I think our morbid curiosities preclude us from looking away, or in this case, posting/talking about it.

Everybody loves a good train wreck.


You must be very bored. How sad.
 
Old 08-20-2016, 09:30 PM
 
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You must be very bored. How sad.
Nope, but like I said, it's like a train wreck that you can't look away from. Week after week Trump does or says something stupid, or crazy, or both. Normally, that would be par for the course, but Trump is managing to repel traditional GOP voters.

However, this election will be of historical importance regardless who wins.

1. If Clinton win is she will be the first Democrat to succeed another Democrat since 1856.
2. Clinton would also be the first female President, but admittedly, that might be a little debatable.
3. If Trump wins he will be the first candidate to ever come back after being down in the polls post convention.
4. Clinton and Trump are viewed as the least favorable candidates to ever run, so to have them running against each other is quite intriguing.
 
Old 08-20-2016, 10:05 PM
 
Location: 23.7 million to 162 million miles North of Venus
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trump admitted in that nyt leaked audio that the wall wasnt going to happen
And yet you've posted no proof of what you're claiming he said in that off-the-record conversation
Prove it by posting the link to the audio where Trump admitted the wall wasn't going to happen.
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