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Old 09-20-2016, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Yeah, and she didn't lie about her emails, either. Let's just say that the voters are warming up to the fact that Hillary's house of cards is collapsing as is evidenced by her plummeting poll numbers.

Frankly, Trump isn't much better, but it boils down to the lesser of two evils and Supreme Court Justice nominees.
I don't think you have been paying attention to what I and others wrote. We aren't saying that Clinton completely tells the truth about everything. What we ARE saying that the scale is blown completely out of proportion. The idea that they are even in the same league is preposterous. If deception were a sport, Trump would be the Olympic gold medalist; Clinton would be an honorable mention at her local Y.

Clinton's emails is junior varsity mendacity. In contrast, Trump is the champ of prevarication.

You don’t need to go back eight years to find a Trump embellishment; eight minutes is more than sufficient. In March, Politico chronicled a week of Trump remarks and found on average one misstatement every five minutes. The Huffington Post once chronicled 71 inaccuracies in an hourlong town hall session -- more than one a minute.

If Clinton declares that she didn’t chop down a cherry tree, that might mean that she actually used a chain saw to cut it down. Or that she ordered an aide to chop it down. As for Trump, he will insist, “I absolutely did not chop down that cherry tree,” even as he clutches the ax with which he chopped it down moments earlier.

 
Old 09-20-2016, 01:31 PM
 
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American voters are so discouraged by our political system, and by Hillary Clinton, they are overlooking Trump's myriad falsehoods?

<<Trump's natural state is building up his brand and properties in a way that would make a used car salesman blush. The public is used to it and accepts it just as we accept that used car salesman boasting about the 2005 SUV he's pushing. If we ever get angry at that boasting salesman, it's only after that car breaks down. Otherwise, we believe we look like nitpicking maniacs to quibble over every conceited claim.>>

Why Trump gets away with huge lies and Clinton gets trashed for little fibs

As noted in the article, the public even forgives Trump's promotion of his commercial properties amid his campaign.

Trump's eagerness to mix his personal business with his campaign is unprecedented in Presidential campaign history. It's even likely that his praise of the Russian dictator Putin is rooted in his dependency on Russian financial backers for almost a decade, according to reports and a statement by his own son.

Does the American public really believe that Trump's business interests and the general interests of the nation are the same? Americans are bothered by income disparity and yet are supporting a self-aggrandizing, deceitful billionaire. And given Trump's failure to release his tax returns, we don't know whether Trump is a billionaire or perhaps even under financial duress.
its called playing the percentages. will trump deliver on all his promises? no chance. is he embellishing things to get votes? absolutely. is it possible he's selling you a used car and won't deliver on ANY promises? possibly.

here's the thing though.....when you handicap (like race horse bettors or sports bettors do) you assign percentages, nothing is ever a sure thing, but you base your best guess on the information you have at the time. we all know exactly what hillary is about, what she's done as a political person and her history is pretty much set in stone, with trump, we don't know what we're getting.....so, the question you have to ask is this....is it worth 'taking a shot' that trump might improve a few things or do we want to just stick with the same old same old?

that's what it really comes down to.
 
Old 09-20-2016, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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its called playing the percentages. will trump deliver on all his promises? no chance. is he embellishing things to get votes? absolutely. is it possible he's selling you a used car and won't deliver on ANY promises? possibly.

here's the thing though.....when you handicap (like race horse bettors or sports bettors do) you assign percentages, nothing is ever a sure thing, but you base your best guess on the information you have at the time. we all know exactly what hillary is about, what she's done as a political person and her history is pretty much set in stone, with trump, we don't know what we're getting.....so, the question you have to ask is this....is it worth 'taking a shot' that trump might improve a few things or do we want to just stick with the same old same old?

that's what it really comes down to.
Based upon that logic, we know that Clinton will continue on the moderate but left-leaning plans that Obama started and has done very well for the nation. "Taking a chance" on Trump means giving the keys to the government to someone who is showing that he really doesn't know how anything runs and has financial ties to Russia and possibly other foreign governments that will pose a conflict of interest.

If one reviews Trump's own plans, he is laying out a budget that lowers taxes on the wealthy, increasing military spending unnecessarily and adding trillions more to the deficit. Clinton's plans are far more reasonable and in-line with what smart economists think works.

We would also need to "take a chance" on someone that has shown to be erratic and has a hair-trigger temperament. From where I sit, that chance taking is unacceptable.
 
Old 09-20-2016, 01:44 PM
 
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Based upon that logic, we know that Clinton will continue on the moderate but left-leaning plans that Obama started and has done very well for the nation. "Taking a chance" on Trump means giving the keys to the government to someone who is showing that he really doesn't know how anything runs and has financial ties to Russia and possibly other foreign governments that will pose a conflict of interest.

If one reviews Trump's own plans, he is laying out a budget that lowers taxes on the wealthy, increasing military spending unnecessarily and adding trillions more to the deficit. Clinton's plans are far more reasonable and in-line with what smart economists think works.

We would also need to "take a chance" on someone that has shown to be erratic and has a hair-trigger temperament. From where I sit, that chance taking is unacceptable.
its called upside. when you have upside, you also have downside, trump might have more downside, but that's what we have to ask ourselves, is the shot that the upside comes thru worth the chance. many people think that things are currently so bad that we have no choice.

so maybe right now things arent 'so bad' but if nothing changes, they could get really worse....what happens in a few years when we see mass chaos in the streets and 20 people being killed by an explosion is commonplace and is happening on an everyday basis. when is enough enough? that isn't happening now, but there's nothing to suggest it won't keep happening with more and more frequency and there's nothing she's going to ever do to stop it, as long as SHE is safe in her bunker, she could care less, saving you and your family isn't her number one priority, so she could care less she won't be 'denouncing' people and creating laws to put these people away because she doesnt' want to alienate an entire religion who might vote for her in 4 years.

i'd rather put a stop to this now, if it hurts a few feelings, tough cookies, we gotta get really safe again, we have these 'incidents' happening too frequently now.
 
Old 09-20-2016, 02:14 PM
 
Location: West Texas
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I don't think you have been paying attention to what I and others wrote. We aren't saying that Clinton completely tells the truth about everything. What we ARE saying that the scale is blown completely out of proportion. The idea that they are even in the same league is preposterous. If deception were a sport, Trump would be the Olympic gold medalist; Clinton would be an honorable mention at her local Y.

Clinton's emails is junior varsity mendacity. In contrast, Trump is the champ of prevarication.

You don’t need to go back eight years to find a Trump embellishment; eight minutes is more than sufficient. In March, Politico chronicled a week of Trump remarks and found on average one misstatement every five minutes. The Huffington Post once chronicled 71 inaccuracies in an hourlong town hall session -- more than one a minute.

If Clinton declares that she didn’t chop down a cherry tree, that might mean that she actually used a chain saw to cut it down. Or that she ordered an aide to chop it down. As for Trump, he will insist, “I absolutely did not chop down that cherry tree,” even as he clutches the ax with which he chopped it down moments earlier.
Sure I've been paying attention. You and the others supporting Clinton are dyed in the wool liberals, so it's natural that you feel that Clinton's penchant for lying is overblown. However, sugar coating Hillary's pathology with your synonyms is pointless. She has a history of lying that goes all the way back to her earliest days in the public eye, but liberals refuse to acknowledge that. That's why the voters overwhelmingly don't trust her.

Your example of the cherry tree is juvenile, at best, mainly because you're trying to parse words when there is no justification for lying. And therein lies the difference. I call out Trump on his lies while most Clinton supporters on this forum, justify them, ignore them, or pass them off as some political faux pas.

On election day, it will come down to who does the electorate trust with the next four years? If you say Clinton, then you haven't been paying attention.
 
Old 09-21-2016, 10:21 AM
 
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You and the others supporting Clinton are dyed in the wool liberals
Libertarian conservatives can't stand social conservatives who want to control individuals' rights, especially women's reproductive rights, whereas Trump has now joined the social conservative chorus.

Many conservatives can't stand the Trump/Republican mantra of borrowing money in order to police the world. Every analysis that I've seen suggests that Trump would grow the national debt much more rapidly than Clinton.

When it comes to the environment, conservatives in every meaning of the word "conservative" want to preserve it. Trump and the majority of today's Republicans ignore the empirical-based warnings of climate scientists, and are hell-bent in accelerating the already evident degradation of the environment. Trump and like-minded Republicans are NOT environmental conservatives.

Even many Republicans can't stomach Trump's reverence for Vladimir Putin. Please explain how Trump's Putin worship is a conservative value.

So many of us hold our noses in support of Clinton because we don't want to gag on Trump.
 
Old 09-25-2016, 07:17 PM
 
Location: Carpinteria
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Default Lying salesman Donald Trump biggest pig running for office EVER

He lies strategically, he has a complete lack of conscience about it. It’s what salesman do.
Art Of The Deal co-writer says so. About lying, Speaker Paul Ryan says he’s new. We should give him a pass. He is an outsider, shouldn’t be held accountable for his lies.
Fact checking Trump should not be valid. He is strategically lying as a businessman to become a politician. Only politicians are accountable during office not before. IMO, if it looks like a Schwerin, walks like a Schwerin, talks like Schwerin. It is a Schwerin IMO. How say you ?
 
Old 09-25-2016, 07:19 PM
 
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Oh, I think your pig, Hillary Clinton, has him beat by a mile. Idiotic topic, btw.
 
Old 09-25-2016, 07:20 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Think of him like you do abortion....

Don't like him, don't vote for him.
 
Old 09-25-2016, 07:21 PM
 
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How does Hillary pay her trolls?
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