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Old 09-26-2016, 07:17 AM
 
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..... quickly changing population while Ohio is a swing state because it really is evenly divided.
Ohio isn't evenly "divided" this year, and this isn't about political "ideology".

People there are worried about jobs, terrorism, illegal immigration, and future for their kids. Hillary doesn't offer them anything. This is why they are turning to Trump.

It's the same in all the states swinging to Trump that went for Obama in '08.
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Old 09-26-2016, 07:21 AM
 
Location: Jacksonville, Fl
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Keep in mind this FACT, 99% of the time these poll takers call, they are liberal millennials on the phone conducting the interview. The media has conditioned folks to believing that most people will think you are racist for being open about your support for Trump. So many of those polled are lying and say they will likely vote for Hilary when the, in fact secretly intend to vote for Trump. You will see this phenomena in full swing come election day when the shocking results come in.

People do not trust nor like Hilary. Remember this, NOBODY likes a pathological liar. Yes, all politicians at least tell little white lies and twist and distort facts. Trump included. But Hilary and her fake husband have taken it to unprecedented levels and nobody wants them anymore. She's flat, she's weak, she's fake, she more of the same. Trump might not be perfect, but he is change, he is common sense, he is anti-political correctness, he is anti-establishment, he will take on anyone and people like that. Trump is going to win this election.
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Old 09-26-2016, 07:38 AM
 
Location: Floribama
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I'm pretty sure that Hillary has lost Michigan too.

Automobile workers there don't like that all their jobs are going to Mexico.
It amazes me that Michigan always goes democrat. They have lost so many manufacturing jobs and their largest city is a giant ghetto, it seems like suburban whites there would be flocking to the Republican Party.
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Old 09-26-2016, 07:49 AM
 
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Ok, now I think we might have real evidence of why HRC is pulling out of Ohio....

The last TWO polls have PA within 1-2%. She simply can't afford to try and win OH if it possibly means losing PA.
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Old 09-26-2016, 07:58 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Looks like Florida, Colorado and Pennsylvania, are trending like Ohio, as are Virginia & North Carolina. Even New Hampshire, Vermont and Connecticut, have Trump coming upward and Hillary sliding backward.

This is going to get insane, folks!
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Old 09-26-2016, 08:00 AM
 
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It amazes me that Michigan always goes democrat. They have lost so many manufacturing jobs and their largest city is a giant ghetto, it seems like suburban whites there would be flocking to the Republican Party.

Actually, if you remember, Hillary lost the Michigan primary to the shock of all the pollsters who said she would easily win it.

There are a lot of Black auto workers who fear for their job too.
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Old 09-26-2016, 08:03 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Ohio isn't evenly "divided" this year, and this isn't about political "ideology".

People there are worried about jobs, terrorism, illegal immigration, and future for their kids. Hillary doesn't offer them anything. This is why they are turning to Trump.

It's the same in all the states swinging to Trump that went for Obama in '08.

With Hillary worried about "The Donald" and nothing else.

Bashing and demonizing Donald can only go so far and then it gets old, as "The Donald" pulls neck and neck with a bitter hardened veteran, that all but accepted the crown long ago...
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Old 09-26-2016, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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According to CNN she is no longer attempting to campaign there and has given up on the state.

Seems that she tried last month with 3 disastrous "rallies" where almost no one showed up, and ended up canceling several others due to lack of interest.
I wonder what her threshold is for "lack of interest."
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Old 09-26-2016, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Actually, if you remember, Hillary lost the Michigan primary to the shock of all the pollsters who said she would easily win it.

There are a lot of Black auto workers who fear for their job too.
I remember something about Michigan's primary back then but can't remember what it was. Wasn't only one of them on the ballot or they were protesting something about the order of state primary voting? It was issue related but not political issue related more like process related...
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Old 09-26-2016, 08:53 AM
 
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Fallacy of your argument is this. A state can't be gerrymandered by a political party until said political party has taken control of the state. And with that said, all elections, including that for President, are state elections.
Not fallacy at all. Rs basically swept the table in 2010 and that gave them control of redistricting. There is always a huge difference in mid term and Presidential electorates. And a big diverse (by Midwestern standards) state will show this more than others. If Ds come up huge in 2020 and pull their own gerrymander it will not mean the state had a huge political swing- simply that someone chose to rig districts for their benefit. The real tale of the tape is looking at voting percentages. Rs have a huge advantage in elected offices there but not the same advantage in votes cast.
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