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Old 10-12-2016, 10:22 PM
 
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I haven't looked into it but I do know based on conversations I've had with IT professionals that it is VERY easy to tell where a "hack" came from. You can track by the IP address and that would show what country it came from. I'm inclined to believe that it is true that Russia is behind the hacks.

IT consultants I've spoken with have said that Russia and China and the USA are the top 3 countries that hack other nations. N. Korea also hacks a lot - they were behind the Sony hacks in the recent past.

From what I understand, especially if a server is "in the cloud" the IS/IT staff of the agency/organization can tell immediately when a hack occurred and where it originated from. For a non-cloud server, they can find that information but not as quickly, only if it is monitored effectively by IT staff.
Someone needs to fire your IT professionals.

It's virtually impossible to find out who and where the hacking is from simply because any self-respecting hackers use "bots," computers that they covertly have gained unauthorized controls to. The bot computers can be located anywhere in the world and their users have no knowledge of them being compromised. Hackers often leapfrog using one bot to control another. Unless each computer has a detailed log, no way FBI can tell where and who did it. The bot computers may be in Russia, which is easy to track via IP, but the real hackers could very well be the Chinese, Trump or any one of the millions of hackers sitting in Silicon Valley.

Good luck fighting through jurisdictions, international borders and incomplete system logs to find the real hackers- that is if the hackers didn't have two wits to wipe the logs after they are done.

Now what FBI is doing is by using signatures- techniques used by known hackers, to guess who did it. Unfortunately in the hacking world, techniques are shared often among hackers. So keep guessing.

Here's the scary part. We have the best technology in the world BUT way over 90% of computers in US can be compromised within the hour and be used as attacking front to hack others. Just think about that what would be like in the less developed world.

So, no, there is no proof!

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Old 10-13-2016, 12:07 AM
 
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Clinton, the DNC, et. al. keep stating that Russia is attempting to influence our elections.

In the debate, Clinton blamed these Wikileaks, DNC Hacks, etc. at the hands of Russia. Rather than focusing on the content of the leaks, she simply blamed Russia for hacking.

Is there any actual proof Russia is responsible for any of these leaks?
its the corruption that's influencing it, not the hacking. people can hack all they want, but if our politicians are upstanding citizens, it won't matter how much they hack or what they release.
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Old 10-13-2016, 02:10 AM
 
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When do we get to see Trumps emails?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...dent/85795082/
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Old 10-13-2016, 05:18 AM
 
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Let's all be honest, there is no hacking by Russia. It's a ploy by the Clinton camp to distract from the content of their (very) damaging e-mail leaks.

Pathetic but what would you expect from Hillary Clinton?
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Old 10-13-2016, 06:30 AM
 
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Let's all be honest, there is no hacking by Russia. It's a ploy by the Clinton camp to distract from the content of their (very) damaging e-mail leaks.

Pathetic but what would you expect from Hillary Clinton?
Yes of course, let's believe Putin over our own intelligence agencies
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Old 10-13-2016, 07:27 AM
 
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Yes of course, let's believe Putin over our own intelligence agencies
Why?

Not that Putin is particularly trustworthy, but our own intelligence agencies have been caught violating the law in their surveillance of Americans and Allies, why on earth would you trust them? Our government is corrupt, trusting it is foolish.
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Old 10-13-2016, 07:44 AM
 
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Russia, angered over sanctions, apparently has hacked the Democratic National Committee servers
stopped here.. there is no evidence thats even remotely true.. Even the FBI acknowledged that any hacker, wouldnt even have left traces so no one knows who it is..
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Old 10-13-2016, 07:45 AM
 
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Yes of course, let's believe Putin over our own intelligence agencies
Our own intelligence agencies, in particular the FBI, doesnt backup that narrative..
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Old 10-13-2016, 08:05 AM
 
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Our own intelligence agencies, in particular the FBI, doesnt backup that narrative..
Wrong.

<<The FBI has high confidence the Russian government hacked U.S. Democratic Party groups and the personal e-mails of political operatives, according to a person familiar with the findings, a development sure to heighten tensions between Moscow and Washington.

The federal investigation into the hacks has expanded based on evidence that other Democratic-affiliated groups were targeted in addition to the Democratic National Committee and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. That includes the likelihood that personal e-mail accounts of party groups and officials were breached, according to the person, who asked not be identified in order to speak about an ongoing investigation.



“High confidence” is a phrase used by intelligence agencies to signal near-certainty, so the findings, which haven’t been publicly released, underscore the extent to which the Russian government has been found to have spied on this year’s U.S. presidential elections.>>


FBI Said to Have High Confidence Russia Hacked Democrats - Bloomberg Politics


Even the Wall St. Journal reports that U.S. intelligence officials are confident that the Russian government is behind the hacking attacks aimed against the Clinton campaign.


<<Last week, U.S. intelligence agencies said they are confident senior Russian officials had directed such activities, and that the stolen data was then leaked publicly through Wikileaks, an online persona called Guccifer 2.0, and a website called DCLeaks.com.>>


FBI Suspects Russia in Hack of John Podesta Emails - WSJ


Posters attempting to deny the conclusions of the FBI and Homeland Security apparently want these agencies to detail their counter-hacking methods and capacities, ignoring that this could easily compromise future U.S. security.

Even Republican members of the Homeland Security Committee, who are privy to the intelligence analysis of the DNC hacks, believe that the Russians are responsible and are appalled by the implications of foreign meddling in the U.S. election process.

<<“Today was just the first step,” said Sen. Ben Sasse (R-Neb.), a member of the Homeland Security Committee. “Russia must face serious consequences. Moscow orchestrated these hacks because [Russian President Vladimir] Putin believes Soviet-style aggression is worth it. The United States must upend Putin’s calculus with a strong diplomatic, political, *cyber and economic response.”>>

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...b66_story.html

Interfering in foreign elections is nothing new for the Putin dictatorship, as noted in the above article.

<<Russian hackers have used hacking and other techniques to influence public opinion in Europe and Eurasia, it noted. On the eve of a critical post-revolution presidential vote in Ukraine in 2014, for instance, a digital assault nearly crippled the website of the country’s central election commission.>>

Putin is relatively immune to counter-measures as he has eliminated Russia's independent media and even the democratic election of provincial governors, who are now effectively appointed by Putin. That's why all knowledgeable Americans are appalled by Trump's apparently uniformed and deferential comments about Putin and his policies.

<<Tula’s leader seemingly appeared from out of nowhere, and his biography revealed that his main credential was 15 years of service as Mr. Putin’s personal bodyguard. Governors in Russia are formally elected by the residents of each region, but the complex nominating process and the election commissions, which are controlled by the Kremlin, allow the president to make anyone he wants a governor, including someone who had never set foot in the region, even as a tourist.

Deep local roots are not a prerequisite for a governorship in Russia today. Stavropol, a strategically critical territory in the Caucasus, is governed by Vladimir Vladimirov, a bureaucrat from the distant Yamal Peninsula who organized Mr. Putin’s famous flight with the cranes. (Four years ago, when visiting Yamal, the president flew a hang glider at the head of a flock of Siberian cranes, guiding them to their winter migration.) >>

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/09/op...ns-russia.html

Donald Trump is the closest thing to a pro-Putin sycophant that Putin could hope to become President of the U.S. So it's not surprising that he would authorize unprecedented efforts to promote the Trump candidacy.

Don't Trump supporters know any of this? If Trump supporters cherish even minimally democratic values, why would they tolerate any American politician who promotes an anti-democratic dictator, a former KGB agent, who has wreaked havoc on his nation and the world?

This also has been Trump's pitch to the American people regarding his support of an American policy deferential to Russia that has generated bipartisan dismay and dismissal:

<<Americans should vote for Donald Trump as president next month or risk being dragged into a nuclear war, according to a Russian ultra-nationalist ally of President Vladimir Putin who likes to compare himself to the U.S. Republican candidate.

Vladimir Zhirinovsky, a flamboyant veteran lawmaker known for his fiery rhetoric, told Reuters in an interview that Trump was the only person able to de-escalate dangerous tensions between Moscow and Washington.>>


http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/pu...ar-war-n665376


Trump's claim of ignorance is disproved by his own admissions and business dealings with Russia.

<<Agalarov said he and Trump signed an agreement to build a Trump Tower in the heart of Moscow — at least Trump’s fifth attempt at such a venture. And Trump seemed energized by his interactions with Russia’s financial elite at the pageant and a glitzy after-party in a Moscow nightclub. “Almost all of the oligarchs were in the room,” Trump bragged to Real Estate Weekly upon returning home.>>


https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...html?tid=a_inl


The cascade of denial among Trump supporters of state-sanctioned Russian hacking to influence the U.S. electoral process also ignores Trump's substantial financial involvement with Russians.

<<“Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets,” Trump’s son, Donald Jr., told a real estate conference in 2008, according to an account posted on the website of eTurboNews, a trade publication. “We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia.”>>

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...html?tid=a_inl

Trump clearly is motivated to promote his business franchise in addition to his candidacy. The former goal clearly motivates his deferential treatment of Putin and Russian oligarchs, resulting in Trump's ridiculous statements about the Ukraine, NATO, and Syria.


Auditors are taught to investigate around the computer, to take the big picture. With Trump, we see a man ingratiating himself to one of the world's most aggressive and anti-democratic dictators, a man who destroyed the Russian democratic revolution and has subverted the advance of democracy and self-determination globally. The Russian effort to advance Trump's campaign would clearly be consistent with the goals and historical transgressions against democracy practiced by Vladimir Putin.

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Old 10-13-2016, 08:06 AM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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That is the problem; we are seeing Hillary's emails while she claimed that she took all the necessary precautions! Trump was not entrusted with classified information - Hillary was. At sometime in the future maybe Trump's emails will surface? Hillary had secure communications to use and she did not take advantage of the system - you cannot blame Trump for that!
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