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View Poll Results: Is trump a sexual predator?
Yes 94 46.31%
Maybe 17 8.37%
No 92 45.32%
Voters: 203. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-22-2016, 10:43 PM
 
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I have no idea if Donald Trump is guilty of anything that is alleged, and I'm skeptical that anyone here has any actual knowledge, either. So how is it that so many people here seem to know with certainty that Trump is innocent regarding all of the accusations? At a minimum, wouldn't a position of uncertainty be required?

If you don't know X, you shouldn't assert X. If you don't know Trump is innocent, then you should assert "Trump is innocent." The corollary is also true: if you don't know Trump is guilty, you shouldn't assert that he is.
A few reasons. First reason is the timing off all these 'allegations' they all happen at once, it seems curious that all these people are coming out decades later, doesn't add up.

second, the dastardly stuff from the hillary campaign about trump rallies and inciting violence with trained operatives, no level these people won't stoop to, so it certainly seems possible these are all setups.

third, its their word against his, is there any real proof any of these are true? at least one of them has been completely debunked, so there's at least one example of one woman who was lying about this, so according to these women, trump is a 'serial molester' and he's got a lot of money yet nobody came forward until now?

Is there any actual proof of any of these allegations? The woman who was on the airplane in 1972 (or whatever year it was) had her story debunked by a guy who said he sat next to them and nothing happened, do you have any actual proof of any of it?

Sure, there's 'uncertainty' but i think you gotta provide some proof, anyone can say anything, proving it is a different matter. Trump is innocent until you can prove he's not.

 
Old 10-22-2016, 10:47 PM
 
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Your words...
There was a typo in my second post. I intended to say you "shouldn't assert he is guilty."

My apologies.
 
Old 10-22-2016, 10:49 PM
 
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Sure, there's 'uncertainty' but i think you gotta provide some proof, anyone can say anything, proving it is a different matter. Trump is innocent until you can prove he's not.
Trump innocence or guilt doesn't depend on what we can prove. What I mean is that he either did these things or he did not, and that is already determined. We don't have enough evidence to prove it one way or the other, but his innocence or guilt doesn't depend on what we can prove.

Our uncertainty that comes from the lack of evidence precludes us from saying we know he is innocent.
 
Old 10-22-2016, 10:52 PM
 
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I think she is trying to point out that rape and sexual assault aren't generally proscueted in high numbers. The vast number untested rape kits is testament to that.

Whether Trump is guilty or not shouldn't be imo up to the media decide but the courts. However Trump has brought this all on himself, people forget that he was the first one to accuse Bill Clinton of rape.
Trump wasn't one of the first... WJC rape allegations date back to at least the 90"s (when I became aware), maybe before that. Few people knew of WJC prior to 1992. Trump has been practically a household name since the late 80's, if not earlier...

That said, women can no longer have it both ways. A woman can choose abortion without any regard to the father, but if a woman chooses to keep the child, the man is, at least in part, fiscally responsible for that child even if he gives up parental rights.

If a crime is committed against a woman, she should come forward immediately. And if you have evidence, I fully support you. However, you cannot claim equality on any level if you cower down to a man. There is no excuse for waiting to make your accusation until your assailant is in the public limelight.
 
Old 10-22-2016, 11:10 PM
 
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What's really messed up is men forcing themselves on women. And you obviously have no idea how that affects women. But women are strong and bounce back unlike Trump who is a crybaby.
You make a lot of assumptions about things you know nothing about.

So again, would you wait until 3 weeks before an election or would you call out your assailant as soon as he threw his hat in the ring?
 
Old 10-22-2016, 11:17 PM
 
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the last one is a porn actress and porn director. The accusation is that Trump offered her $10,000 for sex 10 years ago......And what was the other one offered (Gloria Allred)...?


 
Old 10-22-2016, 11:21 PM
 
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They would be more credible if they came out in the beginning of the Presidential campaign, but not right now. It doesn't make sense.
 
Old 10-22-2016, 11:26 PM
 
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It's hard for people who are victims of sexual assault to come forward immediately, this isn't just for women but for men too. You have keep in mind that attitudes towards sexual harassment were different thirty years ago then they were today. At the end of day we don't know if Trump is guilty of these accusation so calling him a sexual predator is unfair in my opinion.

Trump definitely isn't guy I would leave my daughter a lone with though.
Nor would I with Bill Clinton or any male who is not her father.

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Old 10-22-2016, 11:28 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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Bill Clinton's sexual acts were consensual and not illegal.
I believe rape was illegal even back in the 70s. If you say it was hearsay, I say same for Trump.
 
Old 10-22-2016, 11:28 PM
 
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Is it true HRC has an illegitimate Negro son- this is a game changer. Bill raping white wimmin im ok with. But outside his race is where i draw the line....................................lol.

Im voting to TRUMP.
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