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Old 10-16-2016, 07:31 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Geeez here we go again. She did not, her foundation did. Her foundation helped millions of kids in Africa, and that's well documented, as opposed to Clinton actually taking cash herself. If you go outside of Breitbart, you would learn the CGI:
- Raised $313 million for R&D into new vaccines and medicines;
- Helped provide better maternal and child survival care to more than 110 million people, and;
- Provided treatment for more than 36 million people with tropical diseases.

Now go back and analyze those numbers, and think about it - maybe the foundation actually did some good huh? Do you have a mind open enough to face that?
Her name is attached to the foundation. You give her personal credit for its supposed successes, but no blame for its impropriety. It doesn't work that way.

 
Old 10-16-2016, 07:32 PM
 
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The good thing about this is that those that are left supporting Trump at this stage, or those that will scream "rigged" when he is soundly defeated, have to go way, way out on a thin limb of irrational pretzel logic to sustain their beliefs. They will only have one another to keep propping up the looniness of their positions. Noisy for sure. Dangerous? We'll see. We've got the three guys out in Kansas that were going to truck bomb Muslims, do you think they were emboldened by the Trump mob's rhetoric? Wonder how many here think that was OK.

Tell you what....One poster here suggested we split the country in half and have the Liberals all move to one side and Conservatives on the other. I would love seeing Trump in charge of one side and Hillary the other. Your side would be so far in debt, high crime & taxes, drugs, corruption and everyone would be collecting welfare.
Lets compare societies in 10 years and see how you guys fare out because I can assure you our side would be doing just fine
 
Old 10-16-2016, 07:35 PM
 
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Tell you what....One poster here suggested we split the country in half and have the Liberals all move to one side and Conservatives on the other. I would love seeing Trump in charge of one side and Hillary the other. Your side would be so far in debt, high crime & taxes, drugs, corruption and everyone would be collecting welfare.
Lets compare societies in 10 years and see how you guys fare out because I can assure you we would be doing fine
Oh no you don't!

The libs could create a country out of landfill in a body of water in nearest the middle east as they love illegals from that region and giving them freebies that the libs will pay for, the rest who voted for Trump can stay here.

Deal?
 
Old 10-16-2016, 07:46 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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All American people want things to be better !!! The captions and pictures in the Trump Video, tell of things that are bad and need rebuilding, but the matter is, Trump cannot deliver on fixing all this stuff. There is no way it can be fixed with a Tax cut to the wealthy. That has proven too many times to be nothing but fallacy, because the Wealthy want Power, they gather money for the sake of Power and when people pursue power, they never get enough, it turns into Avarice.


This is why thing have deteriorated, also they deteriorated because the mass of the working poor, and the dire poor fell prey to the games of the wealthy. They relinquished the value of Union's and helped the wealthy dismantle them and since then wages have remained stagnant. They relinquished their voice and business left the country. The working poor and dire poor bought into the Republican Spill, time and time again, and each time the Republican system crashed the economy and took back any gains people had earned, the last crash not only destroyed the equity with the variable rate game, while people's wage did not rise, they took the money out of their homes and all it did was give the Bush Administration and Temporary illusion that the economy was moving; when fact is, people were depleting their equity with no means to replace it and resulted 'Upside down on their home with rising interest rates, and many became to loose homes they had been living in more than 20 yrs in some cases. It duped people to sell their house and buy homes bigger and more expensive than they could afford, and the rate adjusted up and we have a glut of homes that were vacant and sold on Short sales, with the value stripped away, and no means to gain equity, because jobs wage did not rise so no one could afford to buy them. The wealthy stepped up and bought up homes and created for themselves massive "rental income".

The reasons why Trump can't deliver are many, and they start with the delusion of Tax cuts to the wealthy. Next it move on to Trump's plans to cut public assistance, while there is no means to create jobs that pay to fill the void. Trump does not pay his own people wages where they can become Home Owners and afford medical and build a saving account.
American's have not had saving accounts since the 1960's, when we had massive Interstate Construction All Across America. Now, Infrastructure can't provide jobs because Contractors have figured out how to fix roads with skeleton crews and then they bleed the contracts and build poor quality construction.
We will see damage to Medicare, Medicaid, and Health Care Cost will sky rocket because he will embolden the Insurance Companies to cut the level of services they deliver on, and Banks will go crazy with inflation interest rates any time they see any sign of money in the economy.
Trump can't deliver because if one does not get to the Ivy League and the Top Tier Universities and change how they teach and stop teaching "Chase the Money Madness" we are only graduating more people who feel entitled and they want more money and will cut services, create collusive policy and offer the consumer nothing but fiction. That's how we got to where we are today. The University Grads destroyed the concept of Service, and they created and promoted "Disposable Good" that need to be frequently replaced, as assurance they would secure for themselves "high pay". Even our Repair Shops vanished, today no one can get a TV fixed, because its imported so cheaply that no one wants to fix it. So, the Chinese take and fix it and sell it right back to us. University Grads have been the death of American Industrial system. Tech and Science can create thing and do amazing work, but the grads who come out and are wrongly placed in management and leadership decision making roles, do nothing but scheme to bleed the public of anything Tech and Science Creates.
Look at "data plans", there is absolutely no reason that all plans should continue to rise in cost. Places like S. Korea and Japan have given their people the ability to use their tech units without all the collusive gouging that our University Grads come up with.

Ask Trump why could he not make Taj Mahal work, he had Gov. Cristie in his Pocket, and spent a Billion Dollars building it, why could not they create the jobs in the areas and fix the infrastructure and fix the inner city around such a massive investment? Atlantic City should have rivaled Vegas on the East Coast with inner city growth that should have been astronomical. Instead, they fattened their pockets and then the Taj end up being on the selling block and thousands of workers fighting to survive. They denied and attacked the Unions to keep wages low. They people had to and still are fighting to get a health program that actually can provide service, instead they get if anything a stripped down plan, that pretend to be medical care. When you have the Governor in your pocket, and you had banks backing you to the tune of a Billion dollars to build one Casino, then if you could not fix the city around it. How can you claim to be able to fix and entire nation? That is an Honest Question.

Trump had New Yorker's backing his every move, then why is there decrepit areas in and around New York? Outside of the wealthy areas of Florida's cities where money and power goes, people are still living like they were in the 1950s in the outlet lying areas? Why?
The Chicago Exchange moves Billions upon Billions a year, why were they trying to sell the Exchange to the Chinese. Why can't American's Fix the Chicago Exchange? THIS IS AN HONEST QUESTION?

The expanding Ghetto in Chicago exist because even with an Exchange, they won't see that business need to thrive, instead the Exchanges support Outsourcing, because they are dumb enough to think Stocks need to break a record every 3 months. That is not what the Exchange was made for, nor how it is suppose to work, it is for LONG TERM investors to support R&D and MANAGED GROWTH and Sustainability. Instead the University has taught grads that it should be a Casino Cash Cow for them, playing FICTIONAL RASE THE STOCK VALUE, the Overleverage the company to fill the pockets of Executives, then sell it off in parts some the Executives can Cash out.

Trump can't be a FDR, because he does not believe and have the values that FDR had. The Wealthy now only care about Outsourcing and profiting from the labor of poor countries.

Yes, we need to deal with Immigration, but we also need to figure out how to help or lead these countries to educate their people to protect their own homeland. Trump can't do that, because the ideology of the people is trapped under the Autocratic oppression's of their religion and the many conflicts their religion generates. They don't know how to establish a Legal system Outside of their Religion. Until these Countries learn how to Separate Religion from Government, they will remain fighting for another 100 or a 1000 yrs. Trump can't fix that.

The other mess is Trump has aroused these groups like Alt Right, and filled Right Wingers with a new form of Segregationist Motivations, and that is very very very harmful to America as a whole. This alone is a very dangerous scenario, that he did not know how to curb it during his campaigning, therefore he won't be able to fix it even if he was to become President. IF he tried after the fact, they'd attack him.

If he wants to do something, why not have used his money to bring Business People Together and Push his Message to the Business people on a Business Level, to Re-invest in American and bring their money back from the Offshore Accounts? IF he had taken that route, and given it the time he gives to arousing the poor and working poor with pipe dreams and bigotry and feeding into the segregationist mindset of some of his followers, he could have been a Great American Success Story. But he is not equipped to be President, He should not have run for Office, instead He needs to focus on and deal with what he does and that is Business. His best choice should be to give his focus to bringing Business People Together to Rebuild America's Industrial Capacity. Not trying to be President, but as an American Business Man, who is a Promoter of American Business and Industry.
Now after the Election is Over, and Hillary is in Office. Let's see if Trump is smart enough to turn his focus to Business People and be a Business Leader and work to be a leader to get business people to Re-invest in America.

The reason poor are poor is not the fault of the rich man. The rich man creates jobs, poor people do not create jobs. The poor stay poor because they make bad choices. They get in gangs that provide a false sense of belonging, they have children out of wedlock that they cannot afford, they get hooked on drugs and buy things they cannot afford and ruin their credit. I'm sick of the "its not their fault" mentality.
Through no fault of my own I had to restart my life 3 times in adulthood, and after a very short time of feeling sorry for myself I did what no one else could do FOR me. I paid my own way through college (with no loan while working 3 jobs) I started my own business and I made a good life for myself. If I can do it 3 times any person can do it once and anything else is just excuses

"Trump cannot fix this stuff"......just like he couldn't win the primaries, or fix the skating rink that the government threw money at and could not fix....That is what is wrong with you liberals...The glass is always half empty instead of half full.
 
Old 10-16-2016, 07:58 PM
 
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We do want better for our kids. That's exactly why we don't trust a man who claims he knows more about ISIS than generals and gets this knowledge from tv shows (his words). Or the man who is thin skinned enough to attack SNL, gold star family, claim POW is not a hero bc he got captured, or didnt pay no dime for our military (no property taxes don't fund this)
I call BS. If you wanted better for your kids, you wouldn't be voting for Hillary.

Why? Well...let's see...

Hillary and Kaine both said that if they get elected, they are going to amnesty all illegals in the first 100 days. Meanwhile, they have no plans to secure the border or track visa overstays.

Hillary wants to increase the number of H1-Bs. Meanwhile, Americans are being laid off and told that they have to train their H1-B replacements if they want to get their severance pay. Then there are the employers who lie and claim that there are no Americans available for IT jobs so they have an excuse to hire H1-Bs instead. Hillary doesn't even have any plans to reform this visa program even though it is riddled with fraud and corruption.

She has no plans to make E-verify the law of the land. Democrats have done everything in their power to stop that from happening---starting with Ted Kennedy who said that the only way E-verify would go into effect would be if employers weren't allowed to use it to weed out any illegals in their workforce.

I know---your kids are all geniuses who will invent the next greatest thing and be rich. Either that or you are so wealthy that you created large trust funds for them so they don't have to work. However, most kids will grow up to be average people who want a decent job and a decent place to live. What about those who have mental difficulties, like autism? Employers would rather hire illegals than hire those with mental difficulties.

With the numbers of H1-Bs being increased and nothing being done to rid the program of fraud and corruption, how will your kids compete in the work force? That visa isn't just being used for STEM/IT jobs---it's also being used to hire teachers and nurses. Americans want those jobs.

With amnesty for all illegals---the vast majority who are functionally illiterate and unskilled---how will Americans who are unskilled going to find work---or those with mental difficulties? With no efforts to secure the border, when more pour in, they, too, will get amnesty. How is this even remotely a good thing?

You all scream about Trump starting WWIII. Yet it is Hillary who played a big role in the destabilization of the ME. Things aren't going well with the Russians these days. Hillary will make it even worse.

If you truly worry about your kids, you wouldn't vote for the status quo.

Why do you want the whole rotten corrupt system to continue? You know what I mean---the system where politicians on both sides of the aisle are beholden to their mega-rich donors and put said donors ahead of their constituents. Then you wonder why gridlock occurs in congress and the senate. Politicians have to do this elaborate dance so that their mega-rich donors get what they want all the while having to try to convince their constituents that they are working for them. Then when nothing gets done, each side blames the other.

We all know that Trump won't come in and wave a magic wand. However, I'm willing to give him 4 years to see what he can do to clean up the mess we're currently in. Our kids and grandkids need for this to happen.
 
Old 10-16-2016, 08:01 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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The reason poor are poor is not the fault of the rich man. The rich man creates jobs, poor people do not create jobs. The poor stay poor because they make bad choices. They get in gangs that provide a false sense of belonging, they have children out of wedlock that they cannot afford, they get hooked on drugs and buy things they cannot afford and ruin their credit. I'm sick of the "its not their fault" mentality.
Through no fault of my own I had to restart my life 3 times in adulthood, and after a very short time of feeling sorry for myself I did what no one else could do FOR me. I paid my own way through college (with no loan while working 3 jobs) I started my own business and I made a good life for myself. If I can do it 3 times any person can do it once and anything else is just excuses

"Trump cannot fix this stuff"......just like he couldn't win the primaries, or fix the skating rink that the government threw money at and could not fix....That is what is wrong with you liberals...The glass is always half empty instead of half full.
Back to boxing people again. Stop-- many vets in dire straits. But when I mention it. Nobody akcnolowdges
them . What you or I can do is not the case for everyone.. Stop comparing . And you wanted trump to fix the corruption,,, but for what? If people are at fault of their own poverty n lack of work. If the corruption would be fixed -people would have good paying jobs, life be a little more fair than it has been lately and corporations might actually be more patriotic to include the American people in the fruits of the profits. If the corruption would stop rich me would pay their fair taxes - if corruption would stop there be gender equality. What do you really want ?
 
Old 10-16-2016, 08:12 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Back to boxing people again. Stop-- many vets in dire straits. But when I mention it. Nobody akcnolowdges
them . What you or I can do is not the case for everyone.. Stop comparing . And you wanted trump to fix the corruption,,, but for what? If people are at fault of their own poverty n lack of work. If the corruption would be fixed -people would have good paying jobs, life be a little more fair than it has been lately and corporations might actually be more patriotic to include the American people in the fruits of the profits. If the corruption would stop rich me would pay their fair taxes - if corruption would stop there be gender equality. What do you really want ?


Corruption in government.....People CAN take care of themselves. Vets gave up the time they could have been building a career to defend our country and they deserve help when they return from the trenches. I never said they didn't
 
Old 10-16-2016, 08:15 PM
 
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Oh no you don't!

The libs could create a country out of landfill in a body of water in nearest the middle east as they love illegals from that region and giving them freebies that the libs will pay for, the rest who voted for Trump can stay here.

Deal?

You are absolutely right!!! THEY don't love this country so THEY should leave!!!.....and take Hillary & Obama with them
 
Old 10-17-2016, 06:42 AM
 
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The reason poor are poor is not the fault of the rich man. The rich man creates jobs, poor people do not create jobs. The poor stay poor because they make bad choices. They get in gangs that provide a false sense of belonging, they have children out of wedlock that they cannot afford, they get hooked on drugs and buy things they cannot afford and ruin their credit. I'm sick of the "its not their fault" mentality.
Through no fault of my own I had to restart my life 3 times in adulthood, and after a very short time of feeling sorry for myself I did what no one else could do FOR me. I paid my own way through college (with no loan while working 3 jobs) I started my own business and I made a good life for myself. If I can do it 3 times any person can do it once and anything else is just excuses

"Trump cannot fix this stuff"......just like he couldn't win the primaries, or fix the skating rink that the government threw money at and could not fix....That is what is wrong with you liberals...The glass is always half empty instead of half full.
That is propaganda, from a slanted Right winger, with a big hint slanted toward minorities, but you better step back and realize the vast number of poor whites in American, that go into the pool of making up the poor.

Everyone is not going to be a business owner. Think broader and Yes, it was the wealthy executives who had all the power and position and took all the actions to create Outsourcing. Until one faces that truth, they are just talking and not focused on facts.
You might want to count the white society having babies out of wedlock and the divorce rate as well, when you began to sling out those historical Republican Style repetitions of commentary.
Maybe come out of the house and actually pay attention. The Poor is comprised of working Poor whites, dire poor whites, working poor minorities, dire poor minorities and women of all ethnic groups.

That makes up a great deal within America. It's always a big question market when people claim they did everything the selves, it only tells me, they have either ignored or taken for granted the help they received along their path. That's about like saying one pulled themselves up by their bootstraps. and that is a truly insidious statement in and of itself. (fall on the floor and start tugging and your boots and see what it get's you). One should never get too high on themselves and certainly not to the point to be so eager to put others down.
Not one poor working person in American had any part or decision in companies outsourcing, and they certainly had no part or decision in the game of mergers and acquisition, that always leave one company destroyed and executives walking off with a mountain of money. Those are Facts!!!

Congratulation on your achievements, but be wise, give credit to the help you may have come to be unaware of over time, because it certainly exist that one received more help than is being acknowledged.
I have worked previously in an areas of our system. Where I get up front information about such things as challenges and how people get help to meet them.
 
Old 10-17-2016, 10:32 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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The reason poor are poor is not the fault of the rich man. The rich man creates jobs, poor people do not create jobs. The poor stay poor because they make bad choices. They get in gangs that provide a false sense of belonging, they have children out of wedlock that they cannot afford, they get hooked on drugs and buy things they cannot afford and ruin their credit. I'm sick of the "its not their fault" mentality.
Through no fault of my own I had to restart my life 3 times in adulthood,
and after a very short time of feeling sorry for myself I did what no one else could do FOR me. I paid my own way through college (with no loan while working 3 jobs) I started my own business and I made a good life for myself. If I can do it 3 times any person can do it once and anything else is just excuses

"Trump cannot fix this stuff"......just like he couldn't win the primaries, or fix the skating rink that the government threw money at and could not fix....That is what is wrong with you liberals...The glass is always half empty instead of half full.
I love how - right after going off on the "it's not my fault" mentality - you turn around and tell us all that you had to re-start your life 3 times "THROUGH NO FAULT OF MY OWN".



So, things that happen to YOU are "not your fault" but all those bad things that happen to other people are "because they make bad choices".

Oh, I see.

Ken
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