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Old 10-19-2016, 03:59 PM
 
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The analyst is Steve Schmidt, who was with the McCain campaign.

Watch the short video here from Morning Joe:

https://youtu.be/fVrB1QwLKto




If you are going to wish you might as well wish all of the way.


Kind of like that Hope/ Change thing.......a pipe dream.

 
Old 10-19-2016, 04:02 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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I don't see the GOP ever coming back to what it used to be. It started to split with the Tea Party movement and McCain picking Palin as VP and the divide has only grown wider and more pronounced. I think there will be two parties to the left of the Democrats--traditional Republicans and far right Republicans--probably for at least the next 20-30 years.

I also think Clinton is going to win a huge majority of EC votes.
It started in the early 1980s when Reagan pandered to Jerry Falwell and the religious right. What started back then as a small cancer in the GOP has engulfed the entire thing.
 
Old 10-19-2016, 04:17 PM
 
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It started in the early 1980s when Reagan pandered to Jerry Falwell and the religious right. What started back then as a small cancer in the GOP has engulfed the entire thing.
Maybe we should talk about how the Democrats are divided- the moderates and blue dog/union democrats and the socialist far left liberals(think Bernie Sanders).
 
Old 10-19-2016, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Silver Spring, MD
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We are counting our chickens before they hatch are we? The election is going much closer than you think because the polls cannot be trusted.


Most of these polls are within margin.


The Panic is the DNC on handle the emails and the Play to pay Corruption most recently Patrick Kennedy.


Clinton is going to self implode, because she can not speak to the lasts rounds of emails and it ust be tough to keep the lies in order so HRC will not perjure herself more.


Why are voting HRC????


amazing!
You fail to realize that the margin or error can also mean these polls could be underestimating the amount Clinton is ahead. Also if things were really still close you would find more polls that also swung Trumps way. If there was less consistency in who is ahead and by how much I could understand holding onto the belief that there was a chance but when the best you can find is a couple of polls that have it tied or within the MOE it's time to give it up.
 
Old 10-19-2016, 04:20 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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Maybe we should talk about how the Democrats are divided- the moderates and blue dog/union democrats and the socialist far left liberals(think Bernie Sanders).
True. However, they can cooperate and compromise with each other though, like the different factions of the Republicans used to be able to do.

The problem in the GOP can be summed up by this famous Barry Goldwater quote.

“Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.”
 
Old 10-19-2016, 04:21 PM
 
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Is this the bit where expectations are cranked up to an unrealistic level to lay the foundation for a post-election "How come the margin wasn't larger?" narrative?
 
Old 10-19-2016, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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Is this the bit where expectations are cranked up to an unrealistic level to lay the foundation for a post-election "How come the margin wasn't larger?" narrative?
Yep, Kellyanne's already on the case.

Cooper To Kellyanne Conway: 'Why Can't Your Candidate Defeat Somebody' You Say Isn't Very Good? | Mediaite
 
Old 10-19-2016, 04:44 PM
 
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We need a mainstream party that understands that (1) taxes and regulations have their limits of efficacy, but (2) government is not necessarily unregenerate evil; a party that understands that property-rights matter, and energy-security matters, but also that global warming is real. This pragmatic party should appreciate that free-markets work quite well, but that occasionally they do fail, and occasionally (but infrequently) there are times when public-sector intervention is merited. This party should understand, that occasionally the Democrats and the Republicans (or whatever remains of them) do actually have some pretty compelling ideas, or accurate objections to current policy, and that compromise is not capitulation.

How do we go about forming such a party?
 
Old 10-19-2016, 04:46 PM
 
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Man this is bad news. Given the genius that Schmidt used to engineer the McCain victory, there is no way he could be wrong.
 
Old 10-19-2016, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Kansas
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Your characterization of some GOP members as 'Alt-Right White nationalist bigotry' is nonsense, but if you believe that what the GOP needs to do to win the presidency is run moderates I would suggest you ask former presidents McCain and Romney... both moderates.
GOP was on life support and Trump has breathed life into the party. I could not believe the best they could do was McCain and Romney. I didn't vote for either of them nor Obama.

If Trump goes down, the GOP goes down too. If they had a winner, where was he/she in 2008 and 2012?
Trump could not have won the nomination if people still wanted the same old, same old.

Both the GOP and the Democratic Party need revamping major. I mean, look at this election!
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