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Old 10-22-2016, 07:51 PM
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAVYjIfU3eA

Ask yourself, why did Trump say, the best was to get out of Iraq is to get out!!! and then when President Obama honored the agreement that was signed to be out of Iraq by Dec. 2011 and he had out troops out. The Iraqi system said, they did not want to negotiate for us to stay.

ISIS also said, they formed because of the War Camps created under the Bush Administration, they said they would never have been able to form if it had not been for the War Camps created by the Bush and Cheney policies.

It is now wrong for Trump to criticize President Obama for getting our troops out. When he advocated us getting out.

He needs to admit this is his view on record, and stop the attack on Obama and Hillary for getting us out !!!! because he advocates us getting out.

Now, he claims we should have stayed, and that we should have taken their oil. "why the change"?

One can't flip flop when Trump knows that the Policy agreement was to leave in Dec. 2011 and he advocated for it in this video clip. Therefore; he should "thank" President Obama and Hillary for getting us out.

Now, let's face the fairness and truth..... We all know that the war was wrong, and President Obama said so, and he and Hillary worked very hard to get out Troops out on time and within the time frame.

 
Old 10-22-2016, 07:55 PM
 
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The agreement wasn't to leave by 2011, the agreement was just ending in 2011.

Obama himself negotiated to extend the agreement, but didn't get the deal he wanted, so he walked, and ISIS walked in and took over Iraq.
 
Old 10-22-2016, 08:13 PM
 
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Originally Posted by stburr91 View Post
The agreement wasn't to leave by 2011, the agreement was just ending in 2011.

Obama himself negotiated to extend the agreement, but didn't get the deal he wanted, so he walked, and ISIS walked in and took over Iraq.
The agreement was to leave by December 31 2011.

Obama refused to sign plan in place to leave 10,000 troops in Iraq, Bush says | PolitiFact
 
Old 10-23-2016, 09:39 AM
 
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People get the fact, truly, Dec. 31, 2011,
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On 15 December, an American military ceremony was held in Baghdad putting a formal end to the U.S mission in Iraq. The last 500 soldiers left Iraq on the morning of 18 December 2011.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdr...oops_from_Iraq
Please stop trying to twist fact and deal with it. Geez.

ISIS did not just walk in, one needs to READ AND LEARN more, one glossed right over the fact, that these groups who bonded together and called themselves ISIS, built their unity and formed within the prison camps, the same camps set up by the Bush Administrations Policies. The leader's said, had it not been for the prison camps, they NEVER would have gotten together, because they all came from different groups and some from different regions, and they NEVER would have been able to form in Baghdad and Certainly Never under the Leadership of Saddam. THOSE ARE THE FACTS !!!!

It's Truly insidious how so many with the Republican mindsets ignore facts and push fictional drama, just for the sake of "spin". If this video link had not been posted, Republican and Deep Right Wingers would continue to deny too that Trump said these things, They deny that Trump said what he said in the video interview of critique of Bush and Cheney, as well as they'd deny he addressed the lie they used to get us in the war. Trump acknowledges that the whole thing DESTABILIZED The MIDDLE EAST, but when anyone address and state that fact when talking about Republican Bush, suddenly too many Republican jump up and deny it as well, because they don't want to face that a Republican screwed up and they certainly don't want to face the fact that a white man, who was a republican screwed up. Get Real People, white people and certainly white men are not flawless and they certainly are nothing even remotely close to being an angel of any sort, unless one considers a angle of disaster as being maybe the closet many have been to any type of angel.

Face that fact and learn to grow !!!!!

At some point these people need to address realism and stop listening to FOX, and the connection of imbeciles who push drama for the sake of a payday, by amassing a bunch of idiots to fall for anything and avoid the truths that exist.

Trump has done some good things, beyond what he himself even expected, and that was to EXPOSE the hypocracy within the Republican Ranks and Party System, he took down the system and took over the Republican system and silenced everyone at the top of their leadership group. He exposed banking and the criminal process, he also has exposed the money grubbing politicians, as well as he addressed the people in the system who makes bad choices based on profit pursuits. These things were good, but where Trump failed, is he embolden himself to Right Wing Extremist, and pandered to the Far Far Right Bigots and Racist, he failed because he gave the segregationist mentality people a false sense that they'd get to promote their segregationist ideals. Those are things that make him unfit to be President. Trump also is an A Type Male who feels that men are superior to women, this is a strike against him in the American system.
He was successful in addressing the selling of American by the Corporate Leaders, but he failed to address that the University in the Ivy League continue to train young people to chase money by any and every means and sell out America and the American people in the process. He failed becasue he did not address the University System and the gouging of the young people to lead them on a money chase that disrespects the basis and sense of Legacy. He failed because he did not understand it and instead joined it, and tried to cash in on the game of university and degree delusions with his Trump University profit pursuit game.
He failed because he fails to address the Cost Madness of University, and has not and did not ever address the extreme cost in how University rips off young people, teach them nothing that functions in the real world, but teaches them how to shuffle paper, talk covert and create collusive policy that is designed to enrich them because they have a sense of entitlement based on spending 4 yrs and getting a piece of paper. He failed because he has not and did not expose the fact that University fails to focus on education and focuses on getting Government Endowment Money and then turn and discredit the BA and BS degree and delude the people to think everyone needs a Masters Degree, when that game is only about getting more money from its previous graduates.

Trump fails because he wants to dismantle ACA, rather than force all Insurance Companies to Compete in All 50 states, that's how you use competetion to drive down cost, you don't disband the system and then rely on them to create fair competition, because they will never do it without mandates. The key is to use the system, and keep its covenants and FORCE all Insurance companies to Compete in All Markets, and impose still penalty to any who does not offer their products in all markets.

Trump fails because TRICKLE DOWN PROVED NOT TO WORK UNDER EVERY REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT WHO EVER TRIED IT. The only ways to maintain the American system and make those who profit the most pay their fair share of tax, and put them under mandates to disclose their foreign investment and foreign profits. Then shut down the process of hiding money off shores, by monitoring Foreign Banks in Tax Have locations and block them from doing business with America or any of its Allies. Then those sham banks have no means to "
wash the money".

Trump fails because he has denigrated every American system, rather than addressing how to fix it, and how to set up a program where any person over any committee can be removed, and any person who is found to become self enriched while a member of Congress is stripped of the gains they make which exceed what a normal citizen would have profited during the same time period.

Trump succeeded in devastating the Republican system, exposing all the Candidates except Kaisiac, because Kaisiac did not and would not play in the mud and sling it all over the place. Trump failed because he did not choose Kaisiac as a running mate, but he could not because Kaisiac would not accept or go along with how Trump pandered to the Right Winger Extremist and then began to attack anyone and anything every time he got behind a podium. Hew failed because he is a key player in the outsourcing game and the importing game, which he complains about, but his reliance upon it, is foundation in his products and his building materials. One can't condemn what one patronize and support for personal gain, but for political points, he tried to condemn it, while still maintaining his profit angle without no effort or intent to change his own conduct and participation's.

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Trump never thought he'd get this far, nor did he ever expect to get this far, he expected to bring some exposure to the system, and for personal reason to lower the tax rate, and abolish inheritance Tax... But he was not of any pre thoughts that he'd become the nominee. His agenda was as much pushed by the radicals who by means would not allow him to fade back and step out, once he addressed his core pieces.

Yes, he wanted Immigration Reform, but not the extremist view that he promoted, but that was for "vote getting" with a base whom he knew they were segregationist in heart. Thus, Trump when he could changed his tone on immigration, and cut down the commentary about it. He knows that American has to maintain its system of immigration because it is part of the basis of Allies as well as Trade Agreements.

His temperament is not suitable for the Office of President, but the system has to address the points he put up, the same as with Sanders, then the system can move to make changes from within, but it is evident that Hillary is the best suited for the job.
Trump knows the Email thing is not as big as they make it, but that's all they have so they play it to the hilt. It has not grit and bite, but it is pushed by "spin". No candidate has control over their team talking to each other, nor what they talk about ... they only have the options to dismiss any who engage acts that go against the principles of the Candidates Policies.

The followers of Trump, a great many need to become educated, and that is a well known fact that is known by people in the Republican Party as well as people in general. The followers, many of them need to deal with fact, and skip being incited by drama and making themselves into a raving posse mentality, and work with "learning" facts before their let their emotions lead them into insidiousness and insane utterances.

These are just some of the points and factors that must be put forth....

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