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Old 10-30-2016, 07:31 PM
 
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Self-identified liberals tend to be more intelligent than conservatives. This disparity disappears when looking at Democrats vs. Republicans because, as you've alluded to, "Democrats" includes a whole host of people that are not self-identified liberals. It includes people who vote based on their own personal circumstance rather than ideological commitments.

In this election, though, there doesn't seem to be any debate about how the education lines fall.
Self-identified liberals think they are smarter than everyone else. They aren't. In fact, the exact opposite is true.
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Old 10-30-2016, 07:40 PM
 
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Setting insults aside, there are factors that help determine whether a state is red or blue:

Red state tendencies

Comparatively more rural
Predominantly non-Hispanic white
Comparatively fewer college graduates
Comparatively large number of Christian Conservatives
More likely to have a manufacturing economy and/or energy sector

Blue state tendencies

Comparatively more urban
Comparatively more diverse racially
Comparatively more college graduates
Smaller percentage of Christian conservatives
More likely to have an idea rather than manufacturing economy (emerging industry requiring highly educated workers).

The more of those boxes that are checked off, the more likely a state aligns blue or red.
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Old 10-30-2016, 07:50 PM
 
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Imagine that.

Trump is at 20% and his supporters are celebrating. I guess it's better than 12% or 13%.
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Old 10-30-2016, 07:50 PM
 
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I just posted on this topic last night, but there are several good reasons to look past Nate's inaccuracy in the primary. Primaries are inherently harder to predict because much of the variation depends on other candidates dropping out. That is a question about the future actions of other politicians, which is fundamentally different and more difficult than general election predictions.
My point was "nate silver said it so it's a fact" is not really saying anything since he'a proven himself wrong more than once. I saw these experts with their little marker boards and maps on the news every night. I love it when they are proven wrong over and over yet continue to be proclaimed an expert. Karl Rove comes to mind.
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Old 10-30-2016, 07:53 PM
 
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Imagine that.

Trump is at 20% and his supporters are celebrating. I guess it's better than 12% or 13%.
Enjoy your "winning" while it's around. Trump seems to have a way of overcoming odds. But of course this time it's different
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Old 10-30-2016, 08:24 PM
 
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I took a look at the Senate Map on the site that the OP referenced. Once I saw that they have a democrat winning the Senate seat in Missouri, I knew it was safe to dismiss all of the predictions. There is no way that a democrat will take that seat.
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Old 10-30-2016, 08:42 PM
 
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I took a look at the Senate Map on the site that the OP referenced. Once I saw that they have a democrat winning the Senate seat in Missouri, I knew it was safe to dismiss all of the predictions. There is no way that a democrat will take that seat.
Why? There's been a significant amount of data over the last 4 or 5 months indicating that Kander has a very good chance of winning that seat. What is it that you know better than everyone else?
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Old 10-30-2016, 08:57 PM
 
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Enjoy your "winning" while it's around. Trump seems to have a way of overcoming odds. But of course this time it's different
Right, right, I heard that before like a million times Charlie Brown.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=055wFyO6gag
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Old 10-30-2016, 09:07 PM
 
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http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/...tion-forecast/

Interesting how Trump is winning only in the least educated states of the nation.

Yep, educated Americans and virtually all the people in every advanced democracy in the world see Donald Trump for the odious sham that he is. But only his supporters know the "truth." Okay.
Sigh. You act like EVERYBODY in a "blue state" is a Democrat or "educated" and EVERYBODY in a "red state" is an uneducated Republican. In almost every state there is a sizable population of both. How do you know that the uneducated in Mississippi are mostly the Democrats there?
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Old 10-30-2016, 09:09 PM
 
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Here's a list I made a while back showing the correlation between lack of education and Trump support.

The 15 states most solidly behind Trump (in order of support) and their education rank (out of 50).

1) Wyoming 38th
2) North Dakota 48th
3) West Virginia 49th
4) Oklahoma 44rd
5) Kentucky 32rd
6) Alabama 40th
7) Idaho 42cd
8) Tennessee 39th
9) Indiana 37th
10) Louisiana 47th
11) South Dakota 45th
12) Montana 36th
13) Arkansas 50th
12) Kansas 18th
13) Utah 26th
14) Nebraska 29th
15) Montana 36th

Here's a list of the 15 states most solidly behind Clinton (in order of support) and their education rank (out of 50).

1) Maryland 2cd
2) Hawaii 20th
3) Vermont 6th
4) California 14th
5) Massachusetts 1st
6) New York 5th
7) Oregon 15th
8) Washington 13th
9) New Jersey 7th
10) Illinois 9th
11) Delaware 11th
12) New Mexico 16th
13) Connecticut 3rd
14) Rhode Island 10th
15) New Hampshire 12th
Not everybody in each of those states is a Democrat or Republican. How do you know the educated ones in Maryland are mostly Republicans?
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