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Old 02-25-2008, 03:47 PM
 
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When my family used to live in Detroit, back in the 1970's, Coleman Young was trying to become the city's first black mayor. The community that I lived in was mostly black, and we were so excited about Coleman Young becoming the mayor because he was such a fantastic speaker and he really knew how to work a crowd. I wasn't interested in his qualifications, I voted for him because he was an exciting individual, especially for those of us in the black community. During his time as mayor, Coleman Young destroyed and corrupted that town for his own personal gain. Detroit has had a difficult time recovering since the Coleman years. I regret that I ever voted for him, and ever since then I have always voted for the person who is best for the job, rather than just voting for the best preacher.
I'm starting to see the same thing happening this year. Obama does a great job of preaching hope and change, but I don't see any substance behind his words. Has anybody bothered to look at his tax proposal? He is going to create the largest tax increase in history! I don't want to see the same thing happen to America that happened to Detroit. I was able to move out of Detroit but I don't want to have to move out of the country.
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Old 02-25-2008, 03:57 PM
 
Location: Grand Rapids Metro
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When my family used to live in Detroit, back in the 1970's, Coleman Young was trying to become the city's first black mayor. The community that I lived in was mostly black, and we were so excited about Coleman Young becoming the mayor because he was such a fantastic speaker and he really knew how to work a crowd. I wasn't interested in his qualifications, I voted for him because he was an exciting individual, especially for those of us in the black community. During his time as mayor, Coleman Young destroyed and corrupted that town for his own personal gain. Detroit has had a difficult time recovering since the Coleman years. I regret that I ever voted for him, and ever since then I have always voted for the person who is best for the job, rather than just voting for the best preacher.
I'm starting to see the same thing happening this year. Obama does a great job of preaching hope and change, but I don't see any substance behind his words. Has anybody bothered to look at his tax proposal? He is going to create the largest tax increase in history! I don't want to see the same thing happen to America that happened to Detroit. I was able to move out of Detroit but I don't want to have to move out of the country.
So black + good speaker = Coleman Young?

At least Obama's not Kwame!!
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Old 02-25-2008, 04:48 PM
 
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You really have something against Obama, don't you?

First, the whole "black president" thing/thread that you have here...
http://www.city-data.com/forum/2008-...residents.html

And now this.....I find it ignorant for somebody as old as you [from the 70s generation] wasting your time trying to divide people. VERY IGNORANT INDEED. Perhaps a day at the social security offices might do you better.
I guess the poster doesn't think Obama is qualified to be president.

Your logic that because he doesn't like Obama and gives his opinion as such that he is trying to divide people and is ignorant is pretty weak.

Does this make you ignorant for supporting Obama? And your crack about his age is pretty childish and makes one wonder how many of the Obama worshipers are this irrational.
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Old 02-25-2008, 04:55 PM
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I think Obama is the next Coleman Hawkins.

Listen to "Stuffy".....

Amazon.com: Ken Burns JAZZ Collection: Coleman Hawkins: Coleman Hawkins: Music
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Old 03-15-2008, 08:55 PM
 
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You're an idiot. Both great men. Think broadly rather than just within your own constricted space.
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Old 03-16-2008, 02:41 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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When my family used to live in Detroit, back in the 1970's, Coleman Young was trying to become the city's first black mayor. The community that I lived in was mostly black, and we were so excited about Coleman Young becoming the mayor because he was such a fantastic speaker and he really knew how to work a crowd. I wasn't interested in his qualifications, I voted for him because he was an exciting individual, especially for those of us in the black community. During his time as mayor, Coleman Young destroyed and corrupted that town for his own personal gain. Detroit has had a difficult time recovering since the Coleman years. I regret that I ever voted for him, and ever since then I have always voted for the person who is best for the job, rather than just voting for the best preacher.
I'm starting to see the same thing happening this year. Obama does a great job of preaching hope and change, but I don't see any substance behind his words. Has anybody bothered to look at his tax proposal? He is going to create the largest tax increase in history! I don't want to see the same thing happen to America that happened to Detroit. I was able to move out of Detroit but I don't want to have to move out of the country.

This is the most perfect post ever written!!! You are a very wise person!
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Old 03-16-2008, 02:43 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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You're an idiot. Both great men. Think broadly rather than just within your own constricted space.

Hey, I don't know who (or what) raised you, but you have no manners and NO class! Get a life and stop with the personal insults.
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Old 03-16-2008, 09:44 AM
 
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This is the most perfect post ever written!!! You are a very wise person!
Now if only people had read my letter to the Chicago Sun Times when I compared the characters in the Wizard of Oz to the Bush administration 7 years ago:

1. Bush would have never been selected and reselected;

2. The invasion of the sovereign nation known as Iraq would have never occurred;

3. Thousands of mothers would not be mourning the loss of their sons and daughters;

4. China would not OWN America;

5. America would not be flat broke;

6. Gas would not be $4 a gallon;

7. 900,000 foreclosures would not be occurring this month;

8. Our borders would be secured and we would not be overrun with millions of illegal aliens;

9. Our economy would not be in the toilet which is the direct results of the corruption of the current administration;

10. We would not be the laughing stock of the entire world due to the embarrassing, incompetent idiot known as George Bush.

For those of you who actually voted for this outstanding white man because he convinced you he was a conservative christian you'd like to have a beer with for POTUS, how'd that work out for you?

I could keep going but I'm sure you get the point. That being said, to all of you who fear the black man known as Obama becoming POTUS, America is already in the toilet. How much worse could it possibly get or is the fear based on the fact that this intelligent, articulate, educated black man has the potential to outshine all of the white men who have failed this country so miserably?

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Old 03-16-2008, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Marietta, GA
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Preaching2thechoir, you mention a letter but don't share it with us. Here are some thoughts on the points you mention, although there is no context from your letter.

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The invasion of the sovereign nation known as Iraq would have never occurred;
The invasion was after 12 years of UN resolutions and violations of the Gulf War cease fire. The US Congress voted to support the invasion (although for political reasons they all want to run from their votes) and former President Bill Clinton agreed with it at the time.

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America would not be flat broke;
Um...America is not "flat broke". There have been excessive budget deficits in recent years, and that is one of the main reasons why Republicans lost their majority in 2006. Don't confuse gov't budget deficits with the economy at large, which is doing relatively fine, despite huge price pressures and the mortgage "crisis".

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Gas would not be $4 a gallon;
How do you know that? Oil prices are the result of a world market and greater demand from China and India. If the evil George Bush was following his evil plan as stated by liberals ("Blood for Oil"), why haven't we drained Iraq dry and why isn't gas $1.00/gallon?

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Our borders would be secured;
Here we may agree. The government at all levels, and the Bush administration in particular has done a miserable job here. Having said that, how much worse would Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, and Barrack Obama do if they had full control? They would just give amnesty and probably do nothing more. They perceive a net benefit from the votes of illegals who become citizens.

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Our economy would not be in the toilet which are the direct results of the corruption of the current administration;
HUH? First you have to agree that it's "in the toilet" and then that there is "corruption", and even given those 2, how do you make the leap to a causal realationship?

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We would not be the laughing stock of the entire world.
Are we? Why do millions of people want to come here illegally to be laughed at? Who is doing this "laughing"?

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That being said, to all of you who fear the black man known as Obama becoming POTUS, how much worse could it get?:confused
I don't "fear the black man known as Obama". I am concerned that the man named Obama, who I believe is not qualified to be President, could become President and try to implement a naive foreign policy and a socialist leaning domestic policy. It has nothing to do with race and everything to do with qualification and policies.
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Old 03-16-2008, 10:45 AM
 
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Preaching2thechoir, you mention a letter but don't share it with us. Here are some thoughts on the points you mention, although there is no context from your letter.
Unfortunately, I no longer have the letter, however, the main points were:

I read the Bush doctrine on PBS.org (outline of the invasion of Iraq) which was written and planned in the early 90's by: Bush, Sr., Wolfowicz; Perle; Cheney and Rice. Unfortunately for the authors of what has become the current disaster, their rose petals at our feet scenario never came to fruition.

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The invasion was after 12 years of UN resolutions and violations of the Gulf War cease fire. The US Congress voted to support the invasion (although for political reasons they all want to run from their votes) and former President Bill Clinton agreed with it at the time.
While the invasion may have come after 12 years of UN resolutions, the reasons you state are far from the reality of why it occurred.

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Um...America is not "flat broke". There have been excessive budget deficits in recent years, and that is one of the main reasons why Republicans lost their majority in 2006. Don't confuse gov't budget deficits with the economy at large, which is doing relatively fine, despite huge price pressures and the mortgage "crisis".
Um . . . America IS flat broke. I am not confusing budget deficits with reality. Additionally, it is not just the mortgage crisis, it is also the weak stock market, the rising cost of food, oil, we are now importing far more than exporting goods and services; and we lost 63K jobs in the month of Feb. alone:
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China = $350 billion
"That’s leaves a little over $4 trillion in public hands. The biggest chunk (about 25 percent of the $8.5 trillion total) is held by foreign governments. Japan tops the list (with $644 billion), followed by China ($350 billion), United Kingdom ($239 billion) and [COLOR=#3976c1! important][COLOR=#3976c1! important]oil [COLOR=#3976c1! important]exporting[/color][/color][/color] countries ($100 billion)."
Source: msnbc.msn.com/id/17424874/
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Economy Lost 63,000 Jobs in February

Reed Saxon

Avionics installers Oliver Lam, left, and Jason Clubb work at the Robinson Helicopter manufacturing plant in Torrance, Calif., Friday. February job losses were widespread, with hefty cuts coming from construction, manufacturing, retailing, financial services and a variety of professional and business services. AP

Morning Edition, March 7, 2008 President Bush acknowledged on Friday that the nation's economy has slowed after the Labor Department reported the worst monthly job losses in five years.
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How do you know that? Oil prices are the result of a world market and greater demand from China and India. If the evil George Bush was following his evil plan as stated by liberals ("Blood for Oil"), why haven't we drained Iraq dry and why isn't gas $1.00/gallon?
That's because the invasion has been a complete and utter failure. The oil fields are not the gold mine that the administration planned/thought they would be once they got Saadam out of the picture. The hand picked contractors of Halliburton/KBR (of which Cheney is the former CEO) have not been able to deliver as promised. Those in the administration along with a few of their closest family members and friends have still managed to get filthy rich in the process and will continue to do so as long as are not investigated for the "misplacement" of billions of tax dollars and are able to keep the rotation of the troops going.

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Here we may agree. The government at all levels, and the Bush administration in particular has done a miserable job here. Having said that, how much worse would Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, and Barrack Obama do if they had full control? They would just give amnesty and probably do nothing more. They perceive a net benefit from the votes of illegals who become citizens.
It would remain the same, which is why I plan out to sit out this election because none of the so called front-runners will do anything about the illegal immigration and a slew of other financially based crisis in this country. As a result, things will only get worse.

[quoteHUH? First you have to agree that it's "in the toilet" and then that there is "corruption", and even given those 2, how do you make the leap to a causal realationship? [quote]

The two go hand in hand. The corruption in and of the government and their friends in the banking and stock market industries from top to bottom is the cause and effect of the tanking.

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Are we? Why do millions of people want to come here illegally to be laughed at? Who is doing this "laughing"?
While America is further tanking as I type this, we are still one knotch above the 3rd world cesspools that the majority of them come from both legally and illegally.

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I don't "fear the black man known as Obama". I am concerned that the man named Obama, who I believe is not qualified to be President, could become President and try to implement a naive foreign policy and a socialist leaning domestic policy. It has nothing to do with race and everything to do with qualification and policies.
I understand your concern and it is legitimate. Unfortunately, the majority of the racist remarks and fears outnumber those with legitimate concerns 2 to 1.

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