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Old 11-12-2016, 12:00 PM
 
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People need to remember that we are not a straight-up democracy, but a republic. If the Electoral College is done away with, you might as well dissolve the nation. We are the United States of America. No one state has a right to dictate to other states because it has more people. That is why the Electoral College is structured as it is and why the government itself is structured as it is, hence why we have the House, which responds to the immediate needs of the people as each state's number of representatives is based on their population, and then the Senate, which is to consider the longer-term ramifications of legislation, where each state gets two senators regardless of population size. Otherwise, California and New York would pretty much dictate the national agenda. California and New York would be the locomotives and everyone else would just be a train car getting pulled along.


Terms like the "popular will" and the "popular vote" are IMO oversimplifications. If you had a population of 40 million people, consisting of 30 million racist whites and 10 million blacks, and the 30 million whites thus voted for Jim Crow-style laws, is that the "will" of the people? Is that the "popular vote?"


Another thing to remember is the House. As said, the House to a degree reflects the "popular will," if you will. Yet, even though the popular vote went to Hillary, the House remained Republican. Now I believe that the House is who ultimately approves of the Electoral College vote. The House could choose to reject the Electoral College vote if they desired. If the House had gone Democrat, along with Hillary winning the popular vote, then one could make a stronger argument that the system acted really screwy and maybe the election really should be given to her. But instead, the House not only remained Republican, but they gained control of four additional seats. The Senate also remained Republican, and two of the GOP Senators who lost (Nevada and Kelly Ayotte), had they supported Trump instead of disavowing him, might have kept their seats too.


That the House came under even stronger GOP control I think undermines any argument that because the popular vote went for Hillary, that the Electoral College should vote for her.
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Old 11-12-2016, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Florida
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The truth hurts, I know.

This is the ranking of dependence on federal spending:

STATES RANKED BY FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DEPENDENCE
10 Most Dependent:
1 Mississippi-TRUMP<--Most dependent state
2 New Mexico-CLINTON
3 Alabama-TRUMP
4 Louisiana-TRUMP
5 Tennessee-TRUMP
6 Montana-TRUMP
7 South Dakota-TRUMP
8 Kentucky-TRUMP
9 West Virginia-TRUMP
10 Missouri-TRUMP
.
.

10 Least Dependent:
41 New York-CLINTON
42 New Hampshire-CLINTON
43 Minnesota-CLINTON
44 Nevada-CLINTON
45 Illinois-CLINTON
46 California-CLINTON
47 Kansas-TRUMP
48 New Jersey-CLINTON
49 Connecticut-CLINTON
50 Delaware-CLINTON<--Least dependent state

https://wallethub.com/edu/states-mos...#main-findings

It's a fact:
14 of the 18 states that carry this entire country on their backs voted for Hillary Clinton!
It's quite amazing that many in the more dependent states are often talking about those 'takers' and 'leeches' but don't see any irony in it. They also bring up "free stuff" and Obama supporters. Yet the dependent state residents probably get a lot of that "free stuff."
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Old 11-12-2016, 12:01 PM
 
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Let's remember Trump didn't win by 2-3 Electoral votes. His win was nearly a landslide.
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Old 11-12-2016, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Keller, TX
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Why would a political activist who's dedicated to a particular party decide to go against political tradition and the will of the constituents? And by my calculations you'd have to have 37 Electors for the Republican Party change their votes to force a deciding vote by the US House, or 38 to give Clinton the seat outright. That's a lot. That's not going to happen.
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Old 11-12-2016, 12:02 PM
 
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Originally Posted by 18Montclair View Post
The truth hurts, I know.

This is the ranking of dependence on federal spending:

STATES RANKED BY FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DEPENDENCE
10 Most Dependent:
1 Mississippi-TRUMP<--Most dependent state
2 New Mexico-CLINTON
3 Alabama-TRUMP
4 Louisiana-TRUMP
5 Tennessee-TRUMP
6 Montana-TRUMP
7 South Dakota-TRUMP
8 Kentucky-TRUMP
9 West Virginia-TRUMP
10 Missouri-TRUMP
.
.
.
10 Least Dependent:
41 New York-CLINTON
42 New Hampshire-CLINTON
43 Minnesota-CLINTON
44 Nevada-CLINTON
45 Illinois-CLINTON
46 California-CLINTON
47 Kansas-TRUMP
48 New Jersey-CLINTON
49 Connecticut-CLINTON
50 Delaware-CLINTON<--Least dependent state

https://wallethub.com/edu/states-mos...#main-findings

It's a fact:
14 of the 18 states that carry this entire country on their backs voted for Hillary Clinton!


So the liberal hates subsidizing the poor. We've always known libs were hippocrits.
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Old 11-12-2016, 12:04 PM
 
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So the liberal hates subsidizing the poor. We've always known libs were hippocrits.
They've always been very pro socialists until they find out the money will come out of their pockets.
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Old 11-12-2016, 12:06 PM
 
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It's quite amazing that many in the more dependent states are often talking about those 'takers' and 'leeches' but don't see any irony in it. They also bring up "free stuff" and Obama supporters. Yet the dependent state residents probably get a lot of that "free stuff."
Building a federal highway, national park, or a military base isn't exactly giving away free stuff to the poor.
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Old 11-12-2016, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I did not hear any republicans critical of the ass in Washington who said he would not give his electoral vote to Clinton.

Washington state elector says he won't vote for Clinton | Fox News
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Old 11-12-2016, 12:11 PM
 
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Default Yikes - voters petitioning EC to change their votes!

Meh... Cher has better odds of finding another planet to live on than these petitions have in succeeding.
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Old 11-12-2016, 12:12 PM
 
Location: The Woodlands, TX
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They've always been very pro socialists until they find out the money will come out of their pockets.
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