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Old 11-11-2016, 05:40 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Originally Posted by Taiko View Post

He left office in 2000
Yet another denier and deflector.

We aren't talking about 2000.

We are talking about 2017.

But, clearly, you want a child/man-thief-liar-narcissist-mentally unbalanced adolescent as a leader, so good on ya'.

 
Old 11-11-2016, 05:44 PM
 
Location: Elysium
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Yet another denier and deflector.

We aren't talking about 2000.

We are talking about 2017.

But, clearly, you want a child/man-thief-liar-narcissist-mentally unbalanced adolescent as a leader, so good on ya'.
Lived through 8 good years with one already so worry me? Nope.
 
Old 11-11-2016, 05:48 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Lived through 8 good years with one already so worry me? Nope.
You lived through eight years of an astonishing comeback given the abysss we faced in 2009. Are you too young to remember? - or maybe you weren't affected. Tens of millions of others were. You must NOT pay attention to the financial markets.

Obama has none of the hideous characteristics of the jackass the fools in this country just elected and Obama saved this country from ruin - things are doing very well today. Thank god we elected an INTELLIGENT ADULT in 2008.

If you're still out in the cold, well that's on you.

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Old 11-11-2016, 05:51 PM
 
Location: Elysium
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You lived through eight years of an astonishing comeback given the abysss we faced in 2009. Are you too young to remember? - or maybe you weren't affected. Tens of millions of others were. You must NOT pay attention to the financial markets.

Obama was none of those things and he saved this country from ruin - things are doing very well today. Thank god we elected an INTELLIGENT ADULT in 2008.

If you're still out in the cold, well that's on you.
As if Senator McCain and Governor Romney are not intelligent mature adults? President Clinton, well he had his good and bad points like most of us including Mr Trump.
 
Old 11-11-2016, 05:57 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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As if Senator McCain and Governor Romney are not intelligent mature adults? President Clinton, well he had his good and bad points like most of us including Mr Trump.
I respect McCain & Romney. They are GOOD and DECENT men. Trump is NOT. I agree we need to get tough on immigration and trade - but cannot stomach Trump as the messenger. He is completely repellent and the antithesis of decency. He's backtracked and gone sideways so often on his positions he has no credibility. Further, the schoolyard namecalling and retaliatory 3 a.m. tweets reveal who he is. No one to be respected. Aghh... enough. He is who he is - disgusting.
 
Old 11-11-2016, 06:00 PM
 
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You lived through eight years of an astonishing comeback given the abysss we faced in 2009.
more like the greatest coverup and shell game in history.
 
Old 11-11-2016, 06:03 PM
 
Location: Elysium
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If you're still out in the cold, well that's on you.
Didn't listen to the political prophet Michael Moore did you? This is the attitude he attacked. Too bad for Secretary Clinton he waited to late to put the word out for her machine to hear and react to it.
 
Old 11-12-2016, 04:35 AM
bUU
 
Location: Georgia
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Typical... anyone who doesn't lock step with progressives are racists, bigots, misogynists, homophobes... bla bla bla
Only if the shoe fits. Why do you insinuate the opposite? These are words. They have specific meanings. Even if you engage in those behaviors incidentally, because you have other priorities, you're still engaging in those behaviors. It is nonsense to claim that your engaging in those behaviors doesn't mean you are engaging in those behaviors.

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My take: People are disgusted with DC and the establishment, it has nothing to do with the spin you're pushing.
True, but those who voted for Trump are going to be in for a big shock that they've been deceived. I was listening to NPR this week, and heard a report about what Trump supporters expect now that their man has been elected. Wowwee. I heard one person actually say, without hesitation, that he expects his life fixed by Trump within 18 months - good job with good pay etc., 100%. Let's hope this guy gets what he wants, but rest assured many Trump supporters hold expectations that aren't likely to be fulfilled, and unless the rest of us who have been around the block a few times, they're not used to "the way things work", they thought they were voting against "the way things work", and they'll have no patience for "the way thing work". Trump was supposed to be able to be better than that, in their minds.
 
Old 11-12-2016, 04:44 AM
bUU
 
Location: Georgia
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I think it would be better to term it a service of solidarity with those who rightfully have reason to fear how the election results may harm them or cause harm to those they love.
Everyone who's "grieving" and going into histrionics over Trump winning needs to look back in history to when our nation was in it's infancy and see what was said about the newly elected presidents and what they did. Filling up the administration using the Friends and Family plan etc. Much of what's being said today was said back then. Just look at what was said about Lincoln as an example...
Did you even read what you wrote? Your words state clearly that this is not normal, not expected, not what people have experience administration after administration during their lifetime - that we haven't seen this specific situation for a century and a half, when the Southern states expressed concern that the election of Lincoln would spell the end of their entire way of life. Your example is right on-target, even if your casual disregard for the impact on real people. Married LGBTQ couples worry about how this administration may effectively rationalize and defend the refusal of public accommodations and government agencies to treat them as married couples. Legal immigrants worry about how this administration may change the rules retroactively revoking their legal status. Even new citizens worry that with control over the SCOTUS, reactionary forces could revoke citizenship of people that racists and xenophobes don't like.

However, the largest pool of grief is for the impact this will have on the poor. How many of them will be plunged back into the healthcare wasteland, suffering therefore an unjust risk of early death? How many of them will be told "find a job or starve" without there actually being any jobs accessible to them that will allow them to pay their own way?

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Would you like it better if we gave you a Participation Trophy?
I would like it better if you treated people with respect, affording us all the basic human decency of affirming the worth and dignity of everyone you encounter.
 
Old 11-12-2016, 04:51 AM
 
Location: Washington State
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Did you even read what you wrote? Your words state clearly that this is not normal, not expected, not what people have experience administration after administration during their lifetime - that we haven't seen this specific situation for a century and a half, when the Southern states expressed concern that the election of Lincoln would spell the end of their entire way of life. Your example is right on-target, even if your casual disregard for the impact on real people. Married LGBTQ couples worry about how this administration may effectively rationalize and defend the refusal of public accommodations and government agencies to treat them as married couples. Legal immigrants worry about how this administration may change the rules retroactively revoking their legal status. Even new citizens worry that with control over the SCOTUS, reactionary forces could revoke citizenship of people that racists and xenophobes don't like.

However, the largest pool of grief is for the impact this will have on the poor. How many of them will be plunged back into the healthcare wasteland, suffering therefore an unjust risk of early death? How many of them will be told "find a job or starve" without there actually being any jobs accessible to them that will allow them to pay their own way?

I would like it better if you treated people with respect, affording us all the basic human decency of affirming the worth and dignity of everyone you encounter.
Like those black Hillary supporters beating up that white man because he might have voted for Trump and the attacks on Trump supporters including a gay mexican-American where the Dems paid thugs to attack and beat up and verbally attack Trump supporters....that kind of basic human decency?
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