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I don't hate America. I just feel like I don't even live there anymore, and the next logical step is independence. What's so hard to understand about this? Would you be angry if CA left? Why? The right made it pretty clear how unhappy they were with the status quo, so why can't Californians do the same thing?
Hypothetically: So what percentage is going to decide for the remaining residents who would be against this?
Easier for the unhappy hatred to just leave for good.
Yep. Nothing about CA secession needs to be violent, since the US wouldn't be combating an immoral issue, nor would CA be unable to establish its own sovereignty. It would be just fine on its own. But we all know how the US is- it takes whatever it wants by brute force in the name of "democracy" to sustains its own interests.
Yes just look at this thread. Most of them imply that they are going to ride into California guns blazing-how absurd that it has to escalate to that!
If we get two-thirds of congress and 38+ state legislatures to vote to give us permission, then we can leave. Not one drop of blood needs to drop, not one bullet needs to be fired.
Despot-In-Chief Trump and his salivating militias would be usurping the will of the congress and states to try to compel us to stay using brut force.
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I'm sure plenty of countries who are sick of the US being a bully would be happy to lend a helping hand to CA.
I do think that Fox News and other right wing media are going to create fake stories linking California to North Korea, Iran etc. in an attempt to scare citizens and bully politicians into not letting CA go.
Hypothetically: So what percentage is going to decide for the remaining residents who would be against this?
Easier for the unhappy hatred to just leave for good.
Given that it would require the overwhelming backing of the rest of the US to "allow" us to leave, a simple majority of 50% would suffice. Californians are generally pretty tolerant of each other, all things considered. We definitely have bright red and dark blue areas and poke fun at each other from time to time, but in the end, it's pretty symbiotic and life wouldn't really have to change all that drastically. We would still need farmers to crow crops and big cities to churn out technology. Perhaps by allowing red areas of CA to retain their identities and local governments, we could come up with a compromise that would subdivide the Republic into separate states. I'd be OK with it, given that California's biggest strength is its diversity.
Given that it would require the overwhelming backing of the rest of the US to "allow" us to leave, a simple majority of 50% would suffice. Californians are generally pretty tolerant of each other, all things considered. We definitely have bright red and dark blue areas and poke fun at each other from time to time, in the end, it's pretty symbiotic and life wouldn't really have to change all that drastically. We would still need farmers to crow crops and big cities to churn out technology.
Ask the rest of the populous that don't want this how they really feel not to potentially be part of the USA.
This isn't happening, it's more a conspiracy theory story at this point in time.
Now maybe if you can cut away CA from the US mainland and float her far away maybe that would work.
Ask the rest of the populous that don't want this how they really feel not to potentially be part of the USA.
This isn't happening, it's more a conspiracy theory story at this point in time.
Now maybe if you can cut away CA from the US mainland and float her far away maybe that would work.
Trump isn't in office yet, and this wouldn't happen overnight. If he tries to act on his promises to round up all the illegals and their families and build a wall, I can see support for this movement growing fairly quickly. It's one thing to have the rest of the US behave in ways that we don't like, it's quite another when the US throws around its weight and interferes with our livelihoods directly. Everything you've argued so far is based on the fact that few support the idea right now, which works great until the idea becomes more and more appealing to people down the road. That's why things like gay marriage and marijuana are now legal here. People said they would NEVER happen just a few decades ago, but the funny thing about large groups of people who organize around a common belief or value is that they can be pretty good at changing policies. If you don't believe me, just look at the dozen or so ballot initiatives that passed in CA. Pretty much all of them are in direct opposition to what Donald Trump is offering the rest of America. In the past, the people have rallied together to amend the US Constitution to change it to reflect different values. Just because it hasn't happened recently or often in our lifetimes, doesn't mean that it can't or won't happen again.
Of course it is. 66 pages of people shouting down a logical idea because they are either afraid it could actually happen or they don't want CA to leave because they know it's good for America. I signed up for the movement and I look forward to participating in it during the next few years.
"A black man will never get elected!", "Brexit will never pass!", "Trump can't possibly win!"
It's so hypocritical how you are accused of 'hating America' by people who absolutely hate California.
We dont hate California, just you.
I used to like California. Sure I thought it had some quirky people, but after hearing your endless droning, I'm hoping you're just a fringe radical minority not represtative of the entire state, otherwise the entire state has become outright repulsive and disgusting.
All I'm hearing from you is arrogance, while being completely oblivious to severe flaws within your own state. You've stated discontempt for our democracy, and you'd rather subsidize illegal Mexicans over your fellow Americans. You've stated support for labor exploitation, political intolerance, elitism and you're completely incapable of compromise. I thought your ideology only existed in 3rd world countries.
So California pays more than Kentucky, so what? San Fransisco pays more than Oakland. Malibu pays more than the San Joaquin Valley. Yes, organic avocado farmers get paid less than porn producers. Your only argument here is extremely flawed. The middle class is leaving your state, your income disparity is among the worst in the country, your energy has to be imported, yet your only argument for self sufficiency is that you have more rich people than Montana does. You can't even handle losing one election. Did you think California would just split off to be a country with only one political party? The fact you think things are going well in CA despite all this, just reinforces the stereotype that Californians have their head in the sand.
You lost the election 4 days ago. It's time to get over it.
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