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Old 11-20-2016, 06:16 AM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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Her urban strategy clearly wasn't good as she's crying at home in Chappaqua while Trump is assembling a cabinet, hosting world leaders, and prepping to take office as the next POTUS. A good strategy would've incorporated more suburban/rural get out the vote efforts with the urban effort.
Keep trying. She was hated by a majority of Americans because she was a fraud.
Her handlers and sycophant followers didn't have the nerve to tell her she would lose. So they kept burning through campaign cash for no good reason. History won't treat her well.
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Old 11-20-2016, 06:54 AM
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Something that escapes all the media noise, the protest in the streets, the over exuberance of the White Nationalist and lastly but not least the hubris of all of the political strategist is, this is an election where no one showed up. No credible candidates on either side or voters showed up to participate in this election. It would not be prudent for either side to start making hard fast rules to keep the momentum going or create strategies not make the same mistakes again because they won't work in a normal election.

The people who are responsible for the Donald's "landslide" are a minority within a minority and that's why they are surprised that not a lot of respect is coming from this win. Its also why at every turn they are fighting for relevance even though they "won." White Nationalist are still holed up on their compounds severely outnumbered and outgunned by people who are not afraid of them. The Trump campaign is not going to build a coalition between Wisconsin's land rich-cash poor northwoods population with Ohio's cash poor-land poor rust belt population. because they have nothing in common.

The unspoken strategy in Washington is for both parties is to make sure the Donald doesn't screw anything up. Finally something they can agree on.
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Old 11-20-2016, 06:55 AM
 
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No, the problem was not that she didn't campaign in the right areas. The problem was that the wrong person was picked to campaign.
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Old 11-20-2016, 06:58 AM
 
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People got tired of being called deplorable, any phobia, blah blah blah.....they lied to the exit polls because everyone knows that if they said they voted for trump, they would be degraded.....pretty damn simple....and BTW, it' still going on, even today....
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Old 11-20-2016, 06:59 AM
 
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Something that escapes all the media noise, the protest in the streets, the over exuberance of the White Nationalist and lastly but not least the hubris of all of the political strategist is, this is an election where no one showed up. No credible candidates on either side or voters showed up to participate in this election. It would not be prudent for either side to start making hard fast rules to keep the momentum going or create strategies not make the same mistakes again because they won't work in a normal election.

The people who are responsible for the Donald's "landslide" are a minority within a minority and that's why they are surprised that not a lot of respect is coming from this win. Its also why at every turn they are fighting for relevance even though they "won." White Nationalist are still holed up on their compounds severely outnumbered and outgunned by people who are not afraid of them. The Trump campaign is not going to build a coalition between Wisconsin's land rich-cash poor northwoods population with Ohio's cash poor-land poor rust belt population. because they have nothing in common.

The unspoken strategy in Washington is for both parties is to make sure the Donald doesn't screw anything up. Finally something they can agree on.
More than 120 million people voted.
Do you want to re-think your statement about nobody showing up?
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Old 11-20-2016, 07:03 AM
 
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I've read suggestions that Hillary, both in the 2008 primaries and just now, campaigned in big states too much, hence she lost. Did she not spend enough time in Florida and Michigan, which she lost?

Trump won the entire South except Virginia, which is Tim Kaine's home state. Any comments on this, except that the south tends to be conservative? I thought Georgia usually votes Demo. And I think Florida has voted Demo every time since 1992.

Regarding the polls being wrong - perhaps the polltakers polled people in big cities too much, hence they thought Hillary was going to win. But poll companies are supposed to know this stuff. Has somebody compiled what the polls were saying right before Election Day? How many said Trump was going to win?

Last thought: Trump won Iowa, which is funny since it tends to be blue. Mike Dukakis won Iowa, even.
Hillary did a lot of fundraisers, but not a lot of rallies. I think their game plan was to let Donald bury himself with his words, with the help of their media (see Wikileaks). It might have worked without Wikileaks, and FBI investigations, and people's yearning for change. I think her running on Obama's policies hurt her. She thought the people who voted for him would bother voting for her.
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Old 11-20-2016, 07:05 AM
 
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She spent quite a bit of time in Florida, but not Michigan. Ultimately, though, given that she wasn't going to turn out the black vote like Obama was able to do, she should've focused on working class whites like Bill suggested (he was apparently rebuffed for this suggestion, though). But she and other Democrats felt that they didn't need them and are paying the price now.

As for Iowa. Yes, its been trending blue, but not overwhelmingly so (Obama didn't blow Romney out in Iowa, but did get a comfortable win. Of course, Bush narrowly won Iowa in 2004).
I wonder how much the refugee rape of that little girl hurt her in Iowa.
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Old 11-20-2016, 07:18 AM
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More than 120 million people voted.
Do you want to re-think your statement about nobody showing up?
No. voter turnout wasn't great end of analysis. Anyone could have won against Hillary.
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Old 11-20-2016, 07:32 AM
 
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The quickest, most reliable post-mortem for Hillary's loss would be for her to look in the mirror. She would see the real reason for her failure. That is if the mirror didn't shatter immediately.
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Old 11-20-2016, 07:45 AM
 
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At the end of the day, Hillary was elected by the people, trump was selected by the undemocratic system of electoral college

How is Hillary hated more than trump when she got millions of votes more than him?
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