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View Poll Results: Did Hillary Clinton have anything to do with Stein's Fund for Recount? Multiple Choice Poll
Sure. "and" She secretly donated to the fund 54 31.40%
Sure she did. Still being Crooked-Hillary 81 47.09%
No Way! 24 13.95%
The Russians had something to do with it. 2 1.16%
The election was hacked for sure, right? 4 2.33%
The Donaters to Stein's fund are about to get ripped off $$$$ Burned! 39 22.67%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 172. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-08-2016, 09:18 AM
 
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Seriously, they should have some kind of rule in place that all large urban areas must be recounted after the initial count in every election since Democrats continue to use these areas for voter fraud.

 
Old 12-08-2016, 09:23 AM
 
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Michigan isn't the only one... I would target California, New Mexico, and Nevada..
 
Old 12-08-2016, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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GOP senators seek probe of Wayne County election issues

At Wayne County’s recount Tuesday, election workers opened a Detroit precinct’s ballot box that was suppose to contain 306 ballots but only had 50 ballots, according to an election observer for President-elect Donald Trump.

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“We’re seeing many precincts around the state deemed unrecountable because election workers failed to comply with longstanding Michigan ballot security measures,” Stein attorney Mark Brewer told the Board of State Canvassers on Wednesday. “For the first time in a long time, the voters of this state are being allowed to see inside the election machinery.”

The Detroit News first reported Monday that 59 percent precincts in Detroit could be disqualified from the recount because the number of ballots in secured boxes doesn’t match the number of ballots in the poll book.

For Wayne County, about 36 percent of precincts had mismatched numbers, according to the county canvassing board’s post-election report.


It's discouraging that we can't have an election without these problems.
The one bright spot of recounts is that it allows us to look under the hood, kick the tires and look for problems. It seems that we're finding plenty of them. If you had 306 ballots counted but there were only 50 actual ballots, then it seems we had more to worry about from corrupt or incompetent election officials than we do from any Russian hackers.

As close as December 13th is, I'd kinda like to see the results certified and the electors sent. If the electors are not sent, then the voters in Michigan will have been denied their voice in the election. That would be the worst possible outcome. Still, a deeper investigation into this needs to happen.
 
Old 12-08-2016, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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In response to the posts about illegals voting in California and the comments that they couldn't be because a California DL or ID card is needed to register:
California has received yet another extension (to 2020) to comply with the Real I.D. act. That means that California is currently unable to attest that everyone they've issued a drivers license to is actually that person and is a legal citizen. Counterfeit proof of identity continues to be a huge problem--probably in more of the country than just California. So hopefully the people voting were citizens, but there's no way to do a blanket statement that they must have been.
There are a couple of different issues here, one is registering to vote. There has never been a requirement that you prove you are a citizen to register to vote in California An ID or Driver's license is required for online registration only. and SCOTUS has struck down state laws that required proof of citizenship in order to register to vote

With the California motor voter act, everyone is registered to vote when they get a driver's license unless they state they opt out. If you can't prove legal residence in the US you get an AB60 license there is a procedure for ensuring that AB60 applicants did not register to vote.

Eligible citizens are registered to vote when they show up at a Department of Motor Vehicles office to obtain a driver's license or state ID. The DMV gives the eligible voter a chance to opt out if they prefer not to register. If the person does not opt out, the DMV electronically transfers their voter registration information to the Secretary of State's office, rather than making election officials enter data by hand from paper registration forms...
FALSE: California Passed a Law Allowing Undocumented Immigrants to Vote in Federal Elections : snopes.com
 
Old 12-08-2016, 10:16 AM
 
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More on Michigan...

Half of Detroit votes may be ineligible for recount
“It’s not good,” conceded Daniel Baxter, elections director for the city of Detroit.

He blamed the discrepancies on the city’s decade-old voting machines, saying 87 optical scanners broke on Election Day. Many jammed when voters fed ballots into scanners, which can result in erroneous vote counts if ballots are inserted multiple times. Poll workers are supposed to adjust counters to reflect a single vote but in many cases failed to do so, causing the discrepancies, Baxter said.
Really?? They broke on election day. Did anyone say anything?

Does anyone know how much of the population of those Detroit counties was recorded as voting?

All of a sudden we have a recount, and this surfaces.

Thanks, Jill for bringing this to the surface...

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Mr. Baxter...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AJndhBGlZc
 
Old 12-08-2016, 10:44 AM
 
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Of course that is the real reason Democrats fight so hard against voter ID laws. One really can't verify the identity of a voter, and can look the other way, and deny, deny, deny when illegals do vote. And when you have no less than the Obama on record encouraging illegals to vote ( "when you vote you're a citizen"in response to a "dreamer" saying she consider them citizens because they contribute) by informing them they won't be caught or deported if they vote, why wouldn't they?
Obama did not encourage illegals to vote, it's unfortunate that you didn't check on your own to find out if that was true or not. Obama Encouraged 'Illegal Aliens' to Vote : snopes.com
 
Old 12-08-2016, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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Good to see that the federal court reversed its disgraceful, partisan decision and halted the fraudulent recount. I've always said that Stein lacked standing to bring a lawsuit seeking a recount. The federal court (under federal law, standing requirements, which are often far more strict than state standing requirements, clearly deny Stein a chance to bring a suit under a federal statute in this matter) knew that Stein couldn't sustain a challenge under federal standing requirements, so it purported to adopt a perverted and partisan interpretation of Michigan law to allow Stein standing. For the non-attorneys in the forum, federal courts may independently interpret state law if they are hearing a case involving state law; however, state courts' interpretation on state law is ultimately binding on federal courts. Note, I write "perverted" and "partisan" as it is clear from already established Michigan state case law that Stein didn't have any standing, yet the federal court tried to carve out an exception here. Thankfully, the Michigan Court of Appeals was clear that Stein lacked standing to challenge under state law, and the federal judge was forced to withdraw his opinion.

The PA case should turn out the exact same way if partisan politics are kept out of the courtroom.
 
Old 12-08-2016, 11:47 AM
 
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Michigan is done, there will be no recount...
Stein is appealing to the Michigan Supreme Court.
 
Old 12-08-2016, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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Stein is appealing to the Michigan Supreme Court.
Yep. Unfortunately for Clintonistas, the Michigan Supreme Court has a pretty conservative interpretation of the law. Don't expect the court of appeals to be overturned.

Quite frankly, even though Stein loses on standing grounds alone (forget about the merits of here claim, which are merit-less), Stein losing at the Michigan state court level--after initially trying to bypass the Michigan courts in favor of federal courts--is all the more poetic.
 
Old 12-08-2016, 12:02 PM
 
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Obama did not encourage illegals to vote, it's unfortunate that you didn't check on your own to find out if that was true or not. Obama Encouraged 'Illegal Aliens' to Vote : snopes.com
Notice that they are quick to claim that illegals voted without having any actual proof of it? As if illegals would take time out of their lives just to go to a polling place and vote. Give me a break!

Next time you see some Trumpkin claim that illegals voted, tell them to show you the actual proof of it.
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