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Old 12-02-2016, 02:39 PM
 
Location: NYC
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Trump's new appointees will have a devastating effect on democratic party's future.

I hope the democrats change their strategy or platform to appeal to more moderates. They are too far to the left right now even immigrants have problems with the platform except those who want a free lunch.

 
Old 12-02-2016, 03:02 PM
 
Location: West Texas
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you are clueless....States like California gives D.L. to illegals, legal status and protection from federal enforcement on immigration. What risk does an illegal alien has of voting if there is NO ENFORCEMENT at the local at state level? they look the other way.....is there a TASK FORCE in California that investigates and arrest illegals for registering to vote and if they get caught which is hard to do, they send in the task force to make the busts? PLEASE!!!! NOT even the local police will touch that because they have been ordered by California top government to lay off anything that has to do with immigration.......why do you think California has over 5 million illegals roaming around Cali with legal status and D.L.?



you think election officials in California will call ICE and exchange information to enforce immigration laws when a resident of California registers to vote which is very easy in California? this is how naive you sound.


you want proof,,,,,easy lets have a federal task force and lets start in California and have a real audit and investigate the voters registration data base and make sure every social security matches with the person and that person is a legal resident of California.,,,,,,,,but who are you kidding? California officials will NEVER let that happen, they will fight tooth and nail in the courts in California to prevent any exposure how the government has been looking the other way on illegal immigration.


if illegals find loopholes to get jobs and government benefits don't you think they will find a loophole to vote in a state that protects them and gives them legal status and looks the other way to VOTE AGAINST a Presidential candidate that they see as dangerous of ending the status quo for them? OF COURSE, DUH!!! What risk do they take? not much! California officials will not investigate, will not cross reference anything on the millions of illegals in their state and the prisons in California are already crowded, this is not on top on their list.


get a clue!.....illegals in states like California have it good because they can get D.L. and legal status and government services and you think they will not find loopholes to keep the status quo when most government officials in California protects them and you have Telemundo and Unisivion telling them everyday to UNITE and vote against the Presidential Candidate that wants to end what you have and send you back to your country? of course they will, that's how naive you are!
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Obviously you are clueless but then you voted for Trump so you are excused..
Hellion1999 is not clueless. You just don't know what you're talking about. I previously lived in the Bay area and witnessed illegal aliens purchasing three packs (D.L., SS card, & Green Card) for $90. They buy these from "mobile immigration offices." Mini vans outfitted with high res laser printers and laminating machines. With these documents, they are registering to vote. But don't take my word for it.

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Now, retired ICE special agent Claude Arnold has the answer to the question of whether illegal aliens vote in elections....“I routinely encountered people with voter registration cards. And as a part of my interview with them when they're arrested, I would ask them do you or have you voted? And often I would get the answer yes. So, that's not just anecdotal there are probably close to 100 people that did that in my career.”
Former ICE Agent Is Asked About Illegal Aliens Voting & You're Not Going to Like His Answer
 
Old 12-02-2016, 03:13 PM
 
Location: NYC
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Hellion1999 is not clueless. You just don't know what you're talking about. I previously lived in the Bay area and witnessed illegal aliens purchasing three packs (D.L., SS card, & Green Card) for $90. They buy these from "mobile immigration offices." Mini vans outfitted with high res laser printers and laminating machines. With these documents, they are registering to vote. But don't take my word for it.
Ok can you show me proof that government officials are looking the other way when they are shown counterfeit government documents when registering to vote or proof that one can easily purchase counterfeit ID's and go to the polls and actually vote. If it exists at this grand scale surely you must be able to give one front to end example but yet you guys just give details on how one can do it hypothetically but no actual proof that it actually has happen? If anything I have seen independent studies where they can not prove and have no evidence, that is post #50.

Just like we know counterfeit money exists but does it get past financial institutions probably not because controls are in place, that is where you don't know what you are talking about.
 
Old 12-02-2016, 03:36 PM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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There has to be some serious recognition of the facts on both sides of the National Divide: The GOP has to stop sucking up to the religious right and the geezers dreaming of a return to Ward Cleaver's America, and the Democrats have to abandon their love affair with more and bigger government, and abandon the myth that somewhere, there's a huge pile of easy money for them to redistribute.

Not likely in a world dominated by the electronic media, where delusions sell better than facts.
Are you still giving advice? Denigrating a particular age-group is a tactic I've never seen before. I don't think it's been very effective.
Your dismissive description of a mid-century America is yet another reason the Left lost.
Leave it to Beaver was a show that promoted morality, manners, shame and virtue. All values that have been purposely eroded by the Leftists that see them as an obstacle to their government-god.
 
Old 12-02-2016, 03:39 PM
 
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Permit for what?
Sorry, driving. It would be a one year at a time permit.

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Old 12-02-2016, 05:00 PM
 
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Are you still giving advice? Denigrating a particular age-group is a tactic I've never seen before. I don't think it's been very effective.
Your dismissive description of a mid-century America is yet another reason the Left lost.
Leave it to Beaver was a show that promoted morality, manners, shame and virtue. All values that have been purposely eroded by the Leftists that see them as an obstacle to their government-god.

 
Old 12-02-2016, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Midwest USA
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Trump's new appointees will have a devastating effect on democratic party's future.

I hope the democrats change their strategy or platform to appeal to more moderates. They are too far to the left right now even immigrants have problems with the platform except those who want a free lunch.
This. The democratic party has no one to blame but themselves. They didn't even try to have another nominee challenge Clinton. They were so frightened that Clinton might say something to offend clueless millennials they didn't have her debate Sanders in the primaries. They paved for the way for a candidate that millions of voters reviled and arrogantly thought they had the election in the bag.

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Old 12-03-2016, 08:20 AM
 
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This is a typical left wing distortion and race baiting. No one said anything about wanting a whiter or 1950's American. Just looking for honesty and decency. Stuff like this shows why the left is sinking ---they have no commonality with most Americans---of all races.
No, it's the truth. The country's changed. Even if you deport all of the illegals, you're left with their children and grandchildren who were born here. Unless you retroactively strip them of citizenship the racial/ethnic balance of the country has been changed. Even if illegals are deported and take their young, American born children with them, those children would have the right to return when they reach majority. If you look at the school kids of today, you see America's future voters.

With the passage of every presidential cycle, the percentage of votes cast by non-Hispanic whites shrinks on average by 2%. The white percentage has dropped in every presidential election since 1992 and all but one since 1980. The same thing applies is off-year elections. The white percentages in those elections are about three percent higher than in presidential years, to a lower turnout overall with a higher concentration of older white voters. Typically the off-year election after the presidential will see a 3% uptick in the white percentage, followed by a 5% drop in the next POTUS.

A deeper look at the numbers shows that within the white non-Hispanic vote, the percentage of votes cast by non-college whites is dropping on average by 3% per presidential cycle, with white college increasing by 1% and total minority (including Hispanic) increasing by 2%. Non-college voters slipped from a 36% share of total vote in 2012 to about 34%, white college voter share surpassed white non-college for the first time (37%) with the total white percentage dipping from 72% to 70%.

Donald Trump's appeal to white blue collar workers wasn't able to affect that basic math, because it's driven by demography. He won in the electoral college by winning Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin by a total of 79,600 votes out of 14 million votes cast. At the same time, if you look at California, which has been disproportionately affected by demographic change, Trump lost by a staggering 4.2 million votes. Even in their glory days, Nixon and Reagan never amassed margins of 2 million there.

The question is whether his coalition, overly dependent on the one demographic (non-college whites) that is dropping like a rock, is sustainable over time.

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Old 12-03-2016, 10:03 AM
 
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Ok can you show me proof that government officials are looking the other way when they are shown counterfeit government documents when registering to vote or proof that one can easily purchase counterfeit ID's and go to the polls and actually vote. If it exists at this grand scale surely you must be able to give one front to end example but yet you guys just give details on how one can do it hypothetically but no actual proof that it actually has happen? If anything I have seen independent studies where they can not prove and have no evidence, that is post #50.

Just like we know counterfeit money exists but does it get past financial institutions probably not because controls are in place, that is where you don't know what you are talking about.


because local officials are NOT train to look for it and they don't have a task force for it. California makes it so easy to register to vote, you can do it online.

We got laws and penalties against illegal immigration and here we are with over 20 million illegals in our country and states like California that gives then D.L., gives them legal status and protects illegals from Federal enforcement.

you are clueless.....if illegals find loopholes to violate immigration laws and states and local politicians that protects illegals why are you surprised and don't want to believe they are violating voting laws to keep the status quo?


you think Illegals draws the line? " yeah we will violate all federal immigration laws of the U.S., we will use fake and stolen identities to get jobs and get housing BUT we will never register to vote locally in states that makes it easy for us and protects us because its against the law....LMAO!!!!!


the conscience of the illegal immigrant and democrats that harbor them.....they draw the line in what laws they will violae and which ones they won't.....lol

being in this country illegally= good

register to vote when democrats make it so easy= bad.......LMAO!!!
 
Old 12-03-2016, 10:27 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Bureaucat View Post
No, it's the truth. The country's changed. Even if you deport all of the illegals, you're left with their children and grandchildren who were born here. Unless you retroactively strip them of citizenship the racial/ethnic balance of the country has been changed. Even if illegals are deported and take their young, American born children with them, those children would have the right to return when they reach majority. If you look at the school kids of today, you see America's future voters.

With the passage of every presidential cycle, the percentage of votes cast by non-Hispanic whites shrinks on average by 2%. The white percentage has dropped in every presidential election since 1992 and all but one since 1980. The same thing applies is off-year elections. The white percentages in those elections are about three percent higher than in presidential years, to a lower turnout overall with a higher concentration of older white voters. Typically the off-year election after the presidential will see a 3% uptick in the white percentage, followed by a 5% drop in the next POTUS.

A deeper look at the numbers shows that within the white non-Hispanic vote, the percentage of votes cast by non-college whites is dropping on average by 3% per presidential cycle, with white college increasing by 1% and total minority (including Hispanic) increasing by 2%. Non-college voters slipped from a 36% share of total vote in 2012 to about 34%, white college voter share surpassed white non-college for the first time (37%) with the total white percentage dipping from 72% to 70%.

Donald Trump's appeal to white blue collar workers wasn't able to affect that basic math, because it's driven by demography. He won in the electoral college by winning Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin by a total of 79,600 votes out of 14 million votes cast. At the same time, if you look at California, which has been disproportionately affected by demographic change, Trump lost by a staggering 4.2 million votes. Even in their glory days, Nixon and Reagan never amassed margins of 2 million there.

The question is whether his coalition, overly dependent on the one demographic (non-college whites) that is dropping like a rock, is sustainable over time.
This sounds like the same bogus advice and dubious demographics we have been hearing from years, the left and the media has been constantly harping on a white minority in the future and after the obama election how the republicans are demographically doomed and could never win with just white voters. This election proved all that wrong, numbers are now showing that trump didnt surpass romney among latinos, blacks still voted for hillary around 90% and trump still won

This also doesnt mean hispanic white voters in the future will continually vote for democrats , they dont automatically in texas and florida and asians seem more likely to listen to the republican message. Even the demographics is moving toward more white, from 2000 to 2010 there has been a 7% increase in hispanics who changed their description from some other race to white . I've never understood the whole non hispanic white choice anyway, living in in florida alot of hispanics are white in appearance and many are very right wing

Blacks show little population growth into 2060 , I really dont know where all these new democratic voters are coming from unless trump is a catastrophe. There has been a massive population shift to the south and west, today close to 1 in 3 people live in a census defined southern state, even California is losing population and it was the state everyone wanted to be in during the 20th century
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