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Old 12-05-2016, 07:01 PM
 
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The blue state depression - Washington Times


They are of course, referring to the direction of how these states are faring.
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Old 12-05-2016, 07:17 PM
 
Location: NOVA
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Lightbulb More failed democrat policies?

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The blue state depression - Washington Times


They are of course, referring to the direction of how these states are faring.
Good article that explains why Americans are leaving boat anchor states like new York, Illinois and California all due to high taxes.

Now those that leave, over 200,000 per year from California, why do they help turn a state like Colorado blue? On the long road trip, they must forget that they are fleeing high crime and huge taxes. Some states like Texas and Florida are becoming more red. Possibly, just possibly, the tax and spend narrative will exhaust itself out.

With dinosaurs leading the democrat party like Pelosi, she won't change a single thing while she approaches 80. Continuing the failed programs will continue the shift of governors next. There already is a majority of republican governors...
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Old 12-05-2016, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Hudson Valley/Upper Downstate/Lower Upstate
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The blue state depression - Washington Times


They are of course, referring to the direction of how these states are faring.

The states you mentioned are also the wealthiest in the country. California is #1 and New York State #3. New York City is the wealthiest municipality in the United States, and one of the wealthiest in the world. To compare, Oklahoma's GDP of 139Billion with New York's 1.3Trillion is ridiculous.

As for the "Red States" here are a couple lists:

US states with the wealthiest residents - Business Insider

http://www.businessinsider.com/state...ly-2015-2015-7

Notice who's at the bottom, and who is at the top...It pretty much confirms what we all know. Thing is, outmigration from wealthy states is quite common. The reason is high bid rents, housing prices, and taxes impact affordability. Quite simply, poor working-class people can't afford to live well in wealthy states. Many have to leave in order to locate viable, low-skill labor, and lower cost of living. That's just how migration works. Is it fair? Absolutely not...

That said, it'll be a cold-day in heck when I voluntarily leave my scenic, cozy & centrally-located Hudson Valley, NY community for West Virginia. You couldn't pay me to live there or any other "bottom-30" state.

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Old 12-05-2016, 08:00 PM
 
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The states you mentioned are also the wealthiest in the country. California is #1 and New York State #2. New York City is the wealthiest municipality in the United States, and one of the wealthiest in the world.

As for the "Red States" here are a couple lists:

US states with the wealthiest residents - Business Insider

US states with the wealthiest residents - Business Insider

Notice who's at the bottom, and who is at the top...It pretty much confirms what we all know. Thing is, outmigration from wealthy states is quite common. The reason is high bid rents, housing prices, and taxes impact affordability. Quite simply, poor working-class people can't afford to live well in wealthy states. Many have to leave in order to locate viable, low-skill labor, and lower cost of living. That's just how migration works. Is it fair? Absolutely not...

That said, it'll be a cold-day in heck when I voluntarily leave my scenic, cozy & centrally-located Hudson Valley, NY community for West Virginia. You couldn't pay me to live there or any other "bottom-30" state.

LOL. Travel. Things change. Des Moines, Iowa - # in US insurance jobs, #3 in world.


Nashville Tn now has more jobs at UBS than Stamford, Ct.


Welcome to the 21st century, and don't feel bad. HRC wrongly thought the Acela Belt was all that mattered , too. That's why she suffered a crushing defeat.
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Old 12-05-2016, 08:34 PM
 
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California, Massachusetts, Vermont, Hawaii, Maryland, New York, Illinois, Rhode Island, New Jersey, and Connecticut. Interesting that the 10 state with the largest HRC margins all have outward domestic migration, despite the fact as someone mentioned these in general are the richest states in income average. So people from these state (especially if you migrated out), why leave a state with such riches?


My working theory is that they are the most expensive to live in and if you retire or lose your job, you leave to live better in the cheaper red states.


Conversely, all 10 state that were the highest % voting Trump (Wyoming, West Virginia, Oklahoma, North Dakota, Kentucky, Tennessee, South Dakota, and Idaho) all won with domestic migration. Again, why? In general these tend to be lower income and cost states.
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Old 12-05-2016, 09:06 PM
 
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I think that those "blue" states are going to get truly clobbered when the next recession hits, especially if the stock market tanks. Ironically, many depend on taxes on capital gains to keep afloat although they follow policies which drive companies and people away. Should be interesting.
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Old 12-05-2016, 09:32 PM
 
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The problem with those who leave blue states and move to red ones --- Many of them bring the infection with them. In other words, they complain bitterly about the direction their blue state is taking, saying they want to move. The trouble is that they move to red states and vote for the same types of people who ruined their blue state. So, they then go on to ruin a red state.

OTOH, if, while living in their blue state, they voted against the grain (voted conservatively) and moved to a red state and continued to vote conservatively, it's a different story.
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Old 12-05-2016, 09:51 PM
 
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The states you mentioned are also the wealthiest in the country. California is #1 and New York State #3. New York City is the wealthiest municipality in the United States, and one of the wealthiest in the world. To compare, Oklahoma's GDP of 139Billion with New York's 1.3Trillion is ridiculous.

As for the "Red States" here are a couple lists:

US states with the wealthiest residents - Business Insider

State Economy Ranking July 2015 - Business Insider

Notice who's at the bottom, and who is at the top...It pretty much confirms what we all know. Thing is, outmigration from wealthy states is quite common. The reason is high bid rents, housing prices, and taxes impact affordability. Quite simply, poor working-class people can't afford to live well in wealthy states. Many have to leave in order to locate viable, low-skill labor, and lower cost of living. That's just how migration works. Is it fair? Absolutely not...

That said, it'll be a cold-day in heck when I voluntarily leave my scenic, cozy & centrally-located Hudson Valley, NY community for West Virginia. You couldn't pay me to live there or any other "bottom-30" state.
New York City skews the wealth statistics. Upstate New York isn't all that different from the rest of us I hate to tell you. Very beautiful though.
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Old 12-05-2016, 09:58 PM
 
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California, Massachusetts, Vermont, Hawaii, Maryland, New York, Illinois, Rhode Island, New Jersey, and Connecticut. Interesting that the 10 state with the largest HRC margins all have outward domestic migration, despite the fact as someone mentioned these in general are the richest states in income average. So people from these state (especially if you migrated out), why leave a state with such riches?


My working theory is that they are the most expensive to live in and if you retire or lose your job, you leave to live better in the cheaper red states.


Conversely, all 10 state that were the highest % voting Trump (Wyoming, West Virginia, Oklahoma, North Dakota, Kentucky, Tennessee, South Dakota, and Idaho) all won with domestic migration. Again, why? In general these tend to be lower income and cost states.
The thing is, we talk about Blue and Red states, but you have to look at the county level.

Illinois for example is considered a true blue state, but if you look at the county results, most of the state outside of Chicago, Peoria and the college towns are as red as can be.

Missouri is now considered a pretty deep red state, but the urban areas and main college town went for Hillary by significant margins.

The difference is Chicago is so big it dominates the state, not the case with the urban areas in Missouri, but otherwise not that much difference between the two.

It's not so much state versus state, but urban/college town versus the rest.
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Old 12-06-2016, 12:25 AM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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The thing is, we talk about Blue and Red states, but you have to look at the county level.

Illinois for example is considered a true blue state, but if you look at the county results, most of the state outside of Chicago, Peoria and the college towns are as red as can be.

Missouri is now considered a pretty deep red state, but the urban areas and main college town went for Hillary by significant margins.

The difference is Chicago is so big it dominates the state, not the case with the urban areas in Missouri, but otherwise not that much difference between the two.

It's not so much state versus state, but urban/college town versus the rest.
Yes, but Cook County and the 4 counties touching it are 8 of the 13 million people in the State of Illinois. If you cinclude the next couple of counties after that, you are over 9 million

Thats 70% of the States population.


If you add St. Louis and KC together. you barely get to 3 million, only 50% of the state population.

The dynamics of those states are fairly difference.
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