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Old 12-11-2016, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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Oh it matters a great deal. The Democrats got rid of the filibuster requirement for all nominees except USSC nominees. That's going to come back to kick them in the face when Trump's nominees come up for confirmation as they're now virtually powerless to stop any of them except Mattis who needs a waiver of the 5-year-wait requirement to head up the DoD. That also means Trump can pack the lower courts with his nominees for at least the next 2 years -- probably 4 as the 2018 Senate race is looking like a difficult one for the Democrats. Finally, the reconciliation process which is filibuster-proof can be used to repeal key elements of Obamacare.
Honestly, the whole concept of the filibuster has always been absolutely terrible. I wouldn't mind seeing it scrapped permanently. The idea that any a-hole can stand up and talk for 48 hours and thereby shut down the government from doing its job ... when was this ever a good idea?

 
Old 12-11-2016, 08:49 AM
 
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Try to get state-wide name recognition without any money then.
It happens all the time. Joe Manchin is our Senator because Manchin's have a long history in WV.

Capito is a Senator because her dad was once governor.
 
Old 12-11-2016, 08:51 AM
 
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No, I voted for Bernie Sanders ....
So how did you feel when he turned hypocrite and endorsed big money crooked candidate Hillary Clinton?
 
Old 12-11-2016, 08:52 AM
 
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The (D)'s are taking in and spending as much if not more than the (R)'s.
Nope, GOP candidates for Congress spent more than Democrats and compared to New Deal (progressive) democrats, there is no comparison whatsoever.
 
Old 12-11-2016, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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Try to get state-wide name recognition without any money then.
Prime example: Evan McMullin. The man jumped in very late in the game with almost no money and still came away with 21% of the vote in Utah, 6.8% of the vote in Idaho, 1% of the vote in South Carolina and Colorado and some votes in a number of other states, many of which didn't even have him on the ballot.

Sometimes it's more about the message and less about the money. Apparently, a lot of Americans wanted a less morally reprehensible alternative to Donald Trump.
 
Old 12-11-2016, 08:54 AM
 
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It happens all the time. Joe Manchin is our Senator because Manchin's have a long history in WV.

Capito is a Senator because her dad was once governor.
So you have to be born into name recognition and wealth! Very encouraging!
 
Old 12-11-2016, 08:56 AM
 
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So how did you feel when he turned
He always said he would endorse the D nominee. But you have no arguments as you are unable to defend the idea you have in your head that Goldman Sachs/Trump will look out for your interests as they pick your pockets to fund the gifts to Goldman. You voted for the billionaire class and now you get the preferred policies of Goldman Sachs.
 
Old 12-11-2016, 09:00 AM
 
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Prime example: Evan McMullin. The man jumped in very late in the game with almost no money and still came away with 21% of the vote in Utah, 6.8% of the vote in Idaho, 1% of the vote in South Carolina and Colorado and some votes in a number of other states, many of which didn't even have him on the ballot.

Sometimes it's more about the message and less about the money. Apparently, a lot of Americans wanted a less morally reprehensible alternative to Donald Trump.
In other words, he lost and the donor class won, yet again. The fact that mormons voted for the most anti-mormon candidate ever just shows the massive power of money and name recognition in our political system. And Trump and his cronies want to eliminate the remaining restrictions on this corruption so that all future candidates will be mere paid employees of the billionaire class who are given a script and shoved down the throat of the voters. What's so great about this?
 
Old 12-11-2016, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Brackenwood
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Honestly, the whole concept of the filibuster has always been absolutely terrible. I wouldn't mind seeing it scrapped permanently. The idea that any a-hole can stand up and talk for 48 hours and thereby shut down the government from doing its job ... when was this ever a good idea?
The idea of a filibuster is to put a brake on one-sided legislation (Obamacare for example) that would otherwise go trucking right through Congress unabated. It's supposed to encourage compromise, which it did until politics became as polarized as it is today.
 
Old 12-11-2016, 09:18 AM
 
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He always said he would endorse the D nominee. But you have no arguments as you are unable to defend the idea you have in your head that Goldman Sachs/Trump will look out for your interests as they pick your pockets to fund the gifts to Goldman. You voted for the billionaire class and now you get the preferred policies of Goldman Sachs.
Goldman Sachs donated to Hillary, not Donald Trump.

Bernie endorsed Big Money Hillary. You hold a double standard.
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