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Old 12-28-2016, 07:21 PM
 
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Many missing Dems in the last election. They stayed home and it cost them dearly. Many of them were Bernie voters angry at the Dem party rigging the primaries.

More Trump voters were excited than Hillary voters. Had the Dems been half excited, the election would have gone the other way. PA, MI...
Notice Trump ran on everything opposite of Obama.

No one could get excited over 4 more years of Obama's policies, I don't care if it was a head cheerleader using her pom poms attempting to rile people up. Liberalism has been rejected.
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Old 12-28-2016, 07:28 PM
 
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Because Hillary is not Obama. There's a reason why she lost to Obama in 2008, and why she lost to Trump in 2016.
In 07, Obama was the chosen one and the liberal media hammered Hillary saying she isn't there on her merit. Hillary was the chosen one in 2016, Chris Matthews said on air to Hillary... "We know how to do this. We'll get you in there."...

Both Obama and Hillary were chosen by (dark bankers, soros, who?), and the media's job is to manipulate the people to vote for their chosen one. Obviously Bernie Sanders wasn't the chosen one. Trump beat Hillary and the liberal media freaked. Now the media's job is to pound at Trump even if what he does is good for the American people.

chris-matthews-says-the-only-reason-hillary-became-a-senator-is-because-bill-messed-around

Chris Matthews To Hillary Clinton: "We'll Get You In There"

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Old 12-28-2016, 09:52 PM
 
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he said he would take it "personally" if voters didn't come out for Hillary like they did for him

he used those exact words
Because 73% of voter either voted for Hillary or did not bother to vote at all, that's how. Do good deeds over the next 2 years or more than a handful will be voting next time.
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Old 12-31-2016, 04:28 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Some have been asking for almost two months now.... why did Hillary lose? She was not liked by America and she was crooked.
You will get a different answer from any Democrat you ask.

One factor was certainly Clinton herself.
Why do you think she's crooked?

Because she did some stupid things that led to unintended consequences that could have been avoided. I suspect you think she's crooked because of those things; one big one was using a private server for her email.

A private server used by a public official is something that creates suspicion. The government's servers are supposed to be secure, so there must be something shady going on, right?

Creating suspicion is stupid for any public official. Email has been shown that, if someone wants to dig hard enough, is never as secure as we think.

That's why Trump never uses it, and never has used it. The Democrats will never find any incriminating email from him because only his aides use email.
He only responds through faxing and handwritten documents. The convenience of email does not matter to those who don't use computers. Trump only uses his to Tweet. That's all he ever learned how to do on a computer. In that way, Trump is very smart; he has no electronic trail of anything he's ever done that can be traced back to him directly.

My personal belief as to why the Democrats failed is because the Democratic National Committee abandoned everything that Obama created when he won election twice. The party leadership failed its voters, and Hillary Clinton was entrenched in that leadership, along with her closest advisors and associates.

They all became far too concerned on holding on where the party was the strongest, and abandoned all the membership in the heartland- the Democrats who live in small and medium-sized cities, those who run small and medium-sized businesses, and all the common working men and women who have supported the party for decades through thick and thin.

It wasn't like the DNC didn't have a warning of what could happen. 2014 was the off-year election that should have showed the DNC they were in very deep trouble. The Democrats were swamped in 2014, and should not have been, if the leadership had done their job.
It was the same as what happened to the Republicans in 2006, when the voters had had a belly full of the neo-conservatvies and booted them out for Democrats.

But power is power, and power always deceives those who hold it. Just like the Republicans, the Democrats failed to change up when change was needed the most. The Republican failure of 2006 brought Michael Steele into the Chairmanship of the Republican Central Committee, and Steele changed nothing. Only after the defeat of 2012 did the RNC get a leader who understood the need for change, Reince Priebus.

So it is with the Democrats. Debbie Wasserman Shultz was every bit the party insider Steele was, and was just as intent on keeping party control in the well-heeled elite as Steele was. Clinton was part of that party elite, just like Mitt Romney was, and the last thing she wanted was someone like Bernie Saunders usurping her power. So her close friend Debbie tried to squash Saunders and his effective opposition.

This election is another in a string of brand new tests to our government. This time, we were willing to risk it all on an outsider once again, but Trump is a brand-new outsider, a black swan. No one ever thought a total outsider who was wealthy enough to self-finance an election could ever be elected before.

But then, no one ever thought that a black man would ever be elected to the Presidency, either. Or a woman. Or someone who had no white northern European heritage. 2016 showed they all could be elected because all were offered up for election.

Clinton did finally kick Derelict Debbie out of her position, but only when the damage had been done, and far too late for the campaign to change direction. Just like Steele, Romney, and Obama, Clinton could raise all kinds of money, and Wasserman Shultz was a good money-getter, too.

Money has ruled our elections for a very long time now. The elites always think they can win if they just spend enough on winning. This time, no one who wasn't an elite wanted big money to speak for them in either party.

That's why Jeb failed, Hillary failed, Cruz failed, and Rubio failed. And why Romney failed in 2012. This time, the common man had his way with the rich man. This isn't the first time it's happened, and it won't be the last. It's one of the ways we correct ourselves and our government.

Trump is our latest display of our unhappiness with the status quo.

The Democratic party is not any blinder to this than the Republican party. It will take time to re-group, because both parties involve millions of members, and nothing can happen fast in either, but in time, the Democrats will get their feet under them again, just as they always do, and as the GOP always does.

That ability has not disappeared. That's why both our major parties are over 100 years old. They have been long tempered by victory and defeat, and both have the resilience that comes from repeated tempering.
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Old 12-31-2016, 10:17 PM
 
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If Obama wants a legacy he better buy a subaru .
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Old 01-01-2017, 06:17 AM
 
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The American public has never embraced Hillary. There is just something about her honking, grating voice, her smug smirks, and her entitled attitude. Throw in Bill's sordid past and her convenient ignorance of it because facing their issues or, God forbid, divorcing the lout, would have gotten in the way of her quest for fame and power, not to mention her shady dealings and corruption, and you have possibly the most duplicitous, insincere candidate ever.

And we, The People, have always been able to see right through her. Especially those of us who are the hard working, tax paying, God fearing "deplorables" for whom she has so much contempt.

Hillary is an elitist who was too lazy to form a platform of her own because she wrongly assumed that the majority of Americans love the current administration and want its policies to go on into infinity. Her platform was making personal attacks on the opposition, which only served to make people dislike her more. Hillary Clinton is not someone who should have ever attempted to ride the moral high horse. No one is stupid enough to fall for that from her, of all people.

The Dems picked a terrible candidate, she cheated a fairly popular candidate (albeit a faux "regular guy"/Socialist) out of any chance at the nomination, and they got what they had coming to them.
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Old 01-01-2017, 09:54 AM
 
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he said he would take it "personally" if voters didn't come out for Hillary like they did for him

he used those exact words
Polls don't lie and Hillary didn't lose. Putin hacked the results.
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Old 01-01-2017, 10:53 AM
 
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Polls don't lie and Hillary didn't lose. Putin hacked the results.
Its painfully obvious, why Clinton received the number of votes she received..

People are stupid...
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Old 01-01-2017, 11:25 AM
 
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he said he would take it "personally" if voters didn't come out for Hillary like they did for him

he used those exact words

IMO he said this out of an overblown opinion of his own persona, and I can't think there would have been too many voters who weren't already in the bag for Hillary who would have been influenced by the Obama's frankly self-centered remarks enough to vote for a woman they didn't like or trust. Seems to me there are a lot of people who voted for the Obama in 2008, and a lesser number in 2012 as well, who became very dissillusioned with him over the years.
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Old 01-01-2017, 11:28 AM
 
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Hopefully Obama takes it as a Presonal Insult that she cannot continue his Legacy. That's the way it should be.
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