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Old 02-23-2017, 02:57 PM
 
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The Case for Tom Perez Makes No Sense

His supporters say he’s just as progressive as Keith Ellison. So why bother fielding him at all?

On Saturday, members of the Democratic National Committee will gather in Atlanta, Georgia, to choose their leader. With the party in shambles in statehouses across the country, and with Republicans firmly entrenched in the White House and Congress, the DNC race has been a highly charged and closely observed affair, drawing the attention of everyone from grassroots activists to former President Barack Obama. At stake is whether Democrats, humbled by their recent losses, are prepared to relinquish some control to the newly empowered progressive wing of the party—and underneath a veneer of unity, it looks like that’s the last thing they want to do.

https://newrepublic.com/article/1408...makes-no-sense

The war mongers are not ready to let loose of control just yet.

 
Old 02-24-2017, 09:24 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Samuel Ronan is the only one that gets it, unlike the rest that keep playing dumb. Pretty pathetic.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeCtEwfBIkw
 
Old 02-24-2017, 09:37 PM
 
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Samuel Ronan is the only one that gets it, unlike the rest that keep playing dumb. Pretty pathetic.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeCtEwfBIkw
Isn't Jimmy Dore awesome? He is one of the few commentators out there who fully understands that the Democrats have shot themselves by catering to Wall Street and globalist interests.

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Old 02-25-2017, 05:47 AM
 
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Harrison and other establishment Democrats calling for blind loyalty do so to exploit Trump and Republicans as political weaponry. The consensus among DNC chair candidates is that party unity—i.e., progressives falling in line—is a more effective opposition than making reforms to facilitate unity.

But unity isn’t possible between wealthy and corporate donors and working, low income and middle class Americans. The two are opposing forces with overtly different interests and needs, and the Democratic Party cannot expect to win back the millions of voters it lost over the past eight years without making meaningful reforms. Aggressively soliciting and accepting money from PACs, billionaire donors and lobbyists is driving the Democratic Party into the ground and is counterproductive to recovery.


DNC Chair Debate Confirms Democratic Party Is Hopelessly Lost | Observer

Trump can be awful and still win re-election.
 
Old 02-25-2017, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Harrison and other establishment Democrats calling for blind loyalty do so to exploit Trump and Republicans as political weaponry. The consensus among DNC chair candidates is that party unity—i.e., progressives falling in line—is a more effective opposition than making reforms to facilitate unity.

But unity isn’t possible between wealthy and corporate donors and working, low income and middle class Americans. The two are opposing forces with overtly different interests and needs, and the Democratic Party cannot expect to win back the millions of voters it lost over the past eight years without making meaningful reforms. Aggressively soliciting and accepting money from PACs, billionaire donors and lobbyists is driving the Democratic Party into the ground and is counterproductive to recovery.


DNC Chair Debate Confirms Democratic Party Is Hopelessly Lost | Observer

Trump can be awful and still win re-election.
The person who wrote that article assumes falsehoods

1.That unity itself means progressives falling in line, which isnt what the phrase means.

2.Reforms will create unity(the version of the word the author likes), and that isnt true.
 
Old 02-25-2017, 11:48 AM
 
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The person who wrote that article assumes falsehoods

1.That unity itself means progressives falling in line, which isnt what the phrase means.
For many it indeed does. It is what the DNC expected out of those who supported sanders. Screw that.

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2.Reforms will create unity(the version of the word the author likes), and that isnt true.
It won't create unity necessarily. If the Wall Street, war mongering conglomerate want to fracture things, all the same to me.
 
Old 02-25-2017, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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For many it indeed does. It is what the DNC expected out of those who supported sanders. Screw that.
Your post is why there are people leaving the Democratic Party because of the Sanders faction.

The idea of a political party and primary system is to have 1 candidate to take on all others. Defeating that purpose makes a political party useless.

You can be a Berniecrat, push candidates to agree with your wing, without destroying the party, by sitting home and not voting.

But here is a better question for someone in your position.

It won't create unity necessarily. If the Wall Street, war mongering conglomerate want to fracture things, all the same to me.[/quote]

I think even you know that your portion of the party is in the minority. What happens when people from the Clinton and Obama wings of the party do what you say, and dont fall in line behind Sanders or Ellison ??????
 
Old 02-25-2017, 01:04 PM
 
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Your post is why there are people leaving the Democratic Party because of the Sanders faction.
I'm OK with that.

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The idea of a political party and primary system is to have 1 candidate to take on all others. Defeating that purpose makes a political party useless.

You can be a Berniecrat, push candidates to agree with your wing, without destroying the party, by sitting home and not voting.
I would prefer it fall apart than elect a Hillary.

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But here is a better question for someone in your position.

I think even you know that your portion of the party is in the minority. What happens when people from the Clinton and Obama wings of the party do what you say, and dont fall in line behind Sanders or Ellison ??????
I don't care. If the choice is a Republican or a Republican, I'm voting third party again anyway.
 
Old 02-25-2017, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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I'm OK with that.



I would prefer it fall apart than elect a Hillary.



I don't care. If the choice is a Republican or a Republican, I'm voting third party again anyway.
Please tell me your argument for how Clinton is a republican ?
 
Old 02-25-2017, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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