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Old 03-05-2008, 06:41 AM
 
Location: Downtown Greensboro, NC
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as far as momentum goes..its still in Obama's favor. Wyoming and Missisippi are coming up and polls show Obama will win those states. Obama will be back on the headlines again...forget about Hillary going on a winning streak the way Obama did because its not going to happen. Hillary has not won one state by the margins that Obama has beat her in in many states.
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Old 03-05-2008, 06:42 AM
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I'm frustrated with the most dogmatic supporters of both Clinton and Obama, some people just refuse to see reason and are convinced, like Huckabee was, that some miracle or some Deus ex machina scenario will make this all better in their favor. There is unfortunately a long race ahead, a race in which the outcome is not entirely certain.
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Old 03-05-2008, 06:43 AM
 
Location: Downtown Greensboro, NC
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If she manages to get FL and MI seated, which I think she will, she's in the lead with her superdelegates.
thats not going to happen because democratic leaders arent going to change the rules in the middle of a primary election because it would be viewed as only being done to help Hillary win. Bottom line, Florida and Michigan shouldnt have move their primary dates. Also keep in mind Obama wasnt even on the ballot in Michigan so you can forget about those states counting this primary season.
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Old 03-05-2008, 06:44 AM
 
Location: Albemarle, NC
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thats not going to happen because democratic leaders arent going to change the rules in the middle of a primary election because it would be viewed as only being done to help Hillary win. Also keep in mind Obama wasnt even on the ballot in Michigan so you can forget about those states counting this primary season.
We'll see. You shouldn't underestimate Hillary Rodham Clinton.
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Old 03-05-2008, 06:46 AM
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We'll see. You shouldn't underestimate Hillary Rodham Clinton.
Well, if you are the sort of person who likes contests in which the rules are changed during the middle, that is your prerogative, but you'll find that most people do not.
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Old 03-05-2008, 06:47 AM
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you just dont get it...it doesnt matter how many primaries she wins from here on out, the math is not on Hillary's side..bottom line. When August gets here, you'll see what I mean.
Actually, you don't seem to get it. The superdelegates, by and large, are politicians. They WANT to win the White House. It's quite obvious that Obama cannot close the deal with DEMOCRATS. In the end, Democrats don't care about Idaho, Kansas, Nebraska, Wyoming, etc. They are as "red" as they get and they'll STAY that way.

I am all in favor of Clinton/Obama. Obama is just not ready to be President at this moment in time.

Hillary Clinton 2008

YES SHE WILL!
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Old 03-05-2008, 06:49 AM
 
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Well, if you are the sort of person who likes contests in which the rules are changed during the middle, that is your prerogative, but you'll find that most people do not.
The GOP has done plenty of that this election cycle. Since it was in favor of McCain, the media has ignored it. I don't like it, but it's politics as usual. If any of you think Hillary is just going to wake up and decide she needs to end her campaign, that's a lot of wishful thinking. She's been the nominee in her head since 2001 when Bill left the White House. She's not going down without a fight.
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Old 03-05-2008, 06:51 AM
 
Location: Downtown Greensboro, NC
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polls show that the VAST majority of democrats want the superdelagates to select whoever comes out ahead in pledged delagates. Trust me..the superdelagates arent going against that....You are only setting yourself up for great disappointment so dont get ahead of yourself. You seem to think just because she won a few states last night, shes got the nomination locked up...you are only living in a fantasy world

"CNN's John King has made clear on his interactive delegate map, it is nearly impossible for Clinton to catch up to Obama's pledged delegate count. She would have to win the rest of the states convincingly to do so, given that the party allots delegates proportionally. Barring large blowouts in the remaining contests, its likely Clinton will finish behind Obama in pledged delegates"
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Old 03-05-2008, 06:52 AM
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paperhouse - What you are suggesting that happen is that the Democratic party change their own rules, and seat delegates in a state in which one of the nominees was not even on the ballot. I just don't see that happening. Now, if Florida and Michigan hold new primaries in which both candidates are allowed to campaign, then perhaps a discussion could be had, but to simply seat delegates based on votes that were explicitly stated to be irrelevant to the voters, and to seat delegates in a state where the voters didn't even have the option to vote for one of the candidates because his name wasn't even on the ballot would be disastrous and undemocratic.
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Old 03-05-2008, 06:54 AM
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thats not going to happen because democratic leaders arent going to change the rules in the middle of a primary election because it would be viewed as only being done to help Hillary win. Bottom line, Florida and Michigan shouldnt have move their primary dates. Also keep in mind Obama wasnt even on the ballot in Michigan so you can forget about those states counting this primary season.
This is a politically naive statement. I don't blame you for being upset that Obama is OVER, though. Howard Dean has NO choice but to seat Florida and Michigan. 1.2 MILLION Floridians voted and 600k Michiganites voted.

Also, it was the REPUBLICAN party in Florida that moved up the primary date, NOT the Democrats.
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