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Old 03-18-2017, 01:08 AM
 
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First off, we can assume that Obama will carry all of the 232 electoral votes that Hillary won on election night in 2016.
We can also assume that Trump will carry all of the 206 electoral votes that Romney won in 2012.
There were no overlaps between Clinton 16 and Romney 12.

So there are only 100 electoral votes in 6 states plus Maine (CD2) in question.

Florida (29) : my guess is Trump would have won Florida.
Pennsylvania (20) : Obama would have won!
Ohio (18) : hard to tell as it will be down to the wire
Michigan (16) : Obama would easily have won!
Wisconsin (10) : Obama would also have easily won!
Iowa (6) : hard to tell, probably within 1% difference
Maine-2 (1) : Trump would have won

Regardless, Obama would have won by keeping the blue wall intact by winning all of Hillary's electoral votes plus at least PA MI WI!
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Old 03-18-2017, 06:34 AM
 
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if it were 1800, obama wouldn't be running...

what's up with the what if game?
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Old 03-18-2017, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Glendale NY
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Obama would of won.

He is a far superior candidate then Hillary.
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Old 03-18-2017, 11:23 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Daywalk View Post
First off, we can assume that Obama will carry all of the 232 electoral votes that Hillary won on election night in 2016.
We can also assume that Trump will carry all of the 206 electoral votes that Romney won in 2012.
There were no overlaps between Clinton 16 and Romney 12.

So there are only 100 electoral votes in 6 states plus Maine (CD2) in question.

Florida (29) : my guess is Trump would have won Florida.
Pennsylvania (20) : Obama would have won!
Ohio (18) : hard to tell as it will be down to the wire
Michigan (16) : Obama would easily have won!
Wisconsin (10) : Obama would also have easily won!
Iowa (6) : hard to tell, probably within 1% difference
Maine-2 (1) : Trump would have won

Regardless, Obama would have won by keeping the blue wall intact by winning all of Hillary's electoral votes plus at least PA MI WI!
Obama would not have won Pennsylvania, people in this state were fed up with Obama and Democrats. Fed up with liberalism.
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Old 03-18-2017, 01:13 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Obama. That's why Trump dropped out in 2012. He knew he couldn't win against Obama.
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Old 03-18-2017, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Kansas
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Gee another "what if", seriously, it wasn't possible. What if a decent GOP candidate would have run against Obama in 2008 or 2012? Obama would have lost. People were fed up with Obama in 2012, not sure how he won that year. He had his 4 years and failed, and "some how" got 4 more.

"Daywalk", the election is over. No redos, no what if this or that will change the results. The people have spoken. When the party fails, rather than constant sour grapes, the better thing to do is not to look back, we all know the mistake, Hillary Clinton, and begin building a candidate for the future. Despite what you think Hillary Clinton was not a winner and will never be. I would avoid the fake Indian and Oprah.
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Old 03-18-2017, 04:54 PM
 
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Good thing he didn't run because I can only imagine how much more people would be called racist for not voting for him. Even if they've voted Republican since they were allowed to vote.
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Old 03-18-2017, 05:24 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Daywalk View Post
First off, we can assume that Obama will carry all of the 232 electoral votes that Hillary won on election night in 2016.
We can also assume that Trump will carry all of the 206 electoral votes that Romney won in 2012.
There were no overlaps between Clinton 16 and Romney 12.

So there are only 100 electoral votes in 6 states plus Maine (CD2) in question.

Florida (29) : my guess is Trump would have won Florida.
Pennsylvania (20) : Obama would have won!
Ohio (18) : hard to tell as it will be down to the wire
Michigan (16) : Obama would easily have won!
Wisconsin (10) : Obama would also have easily won!
Iowa (6) : hard to tell, probably within 1% difference
Maine-2 (1) : Trump would have won

Regardless, Obama would have won by keeping the blue wall intact by winning all of Hillary's electoral votes plus at least PA MI WI!
The Problem with your OP is all of the dirty Laundry of HRC and the Administration would of been reviewed.
The economy with 2% growth would of been difficult to explain even today!
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Old 03-18-2017, 05:52 PM
 
Location: New Albany, Indiana (Greater Louisville)
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On the outside it seems odd that Trump won so many counties (400+) that Obama won twice. But O and T did something that Hillary didn't: talk about the importance of manufacturing jobs. Obama promised to reopen closed factories to make things like solar panels, and he saved 2 of the Big 3 auto manufacturers from the grave. In his last three years Obama decided the economy was no longer and issue and pivoted to social issues like trans restrooms. Trump recognized that economic insecurities are still a major issue to many voters despite a 4% unemployment rate. Bernie exposed Hillary as a Wall St shill and many of his supporters didn't vote at all and some voted Trump. I think 24 years of hindsight on NAFTA make the Clinton name toxic to the Rust Belt.


So Trump vs Obama in 2016 is hard to predict. I think Obama would get just enough Millennial turnout that Hillary didn't get to win a close election.
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Old 03-18-2017, 10:01 PM
 
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It's a hypothetical so it's a mostly pointless question. I will say though that I think Obama at his best would destroy Trump at his.
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