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I thought they were going to revive Hillary Clinton for the 2020 win. Of course, there is Chelsea. I had thought that maybe she wasn't the brightest bulb in the pack, but I think in that case she took after her mother, Hillary, so I guess that would be a "maybe".
I think Hillary was "given" the nomination by using blackmail against probably several people. I think there was a deal that she support Obama in 2008, a year she actually had a decent chance of winning, and just not sure how much was promised to her.
So, you may be premature in looking at the "Democrat Party Without The Clintons", but we can always hope, but at this point, just about anyone could win against that name no matter how it is presented, so a win for the opposition is guaranteed, so let's get Chelsea on the ticket!
I think the Democrat party and America would be better off without the Clintons.
I did read a rumor somewhere that Hillary might run for NYC mayor but that seems to be a step down for her though the many in the city would love her. Maybe she needs the love and adulation of the public after losing so badly?
In NYC she could "preach to the choir"
I think the Democrat party and America would be better off without the Clintons.
I did read a rumor somewhere that Hillary might run for NYC mayor but that seems to be a step down for her though the many in the city would love her. Maybe she needs the love and adulation of the public after losing so badly?
In NYC she could "preach to the choir"
The (D)'s need to clean house. I saw where Donna Brazile is trying to get back in. I will NOT vote for any candidate associated with Hillary, Brazile or any of the old corrupt members.
In 2020 it will be interesting to see what the Democrats come up with now that the Clintons are out of power.
What do you think?
Well.........looking over some of the recent thread titles related to 2020 I see names like Hillary Clinton, Jesse Ventura, Al Franken and Oprah Winfrey. That doesn't bode well for the current state of the Democrat party. The party is lost and directionless right now, and the best I've seen in an attempt to establish direction is the tactic of continually throwing Jello at the wall to see what sticks. Helluva strategy.
They need two things: an effective message and an effective messenger. That have neither right now. If the party can get its act together they may be able to make a decent run at the presidency. They are not even close to accomplishing that at this stage, but they still have plenty of time.
And FWIW I don't think there is one chance in a million that Clinton will run again. Not necessarily because she doesn't want to. But the party (and the donors) will not give her another billion dollars to flush down the toilet. She's a loser. A two time loser.
LOL, obviously Democrats aren't the party of change.
In all fairness you really could say something similar about the Bushes.
One of the better posters on here got it exactly right when they said that the two parties are like TV wresters- they get together in the locker room and decide who the bad guy is, but in the end it is all a show. That is very right to an extent. With a lot of these guys, it is purely about having power to protect their own financial and dynasitc interests. That is why
Bush 41 so easily raised taxes after swearing that he wouldn't. He declared Saddam Hussein "worse than Hitler" and then walked away and let him remain.
Bill Clinton switched sides and governed for 6 years as a moderate, sometimes surprisingly conservative Republican while giving every lip service to his liberal roots
Bush 43 made his first act hideous new entitlement program.
Hillary Clinton has literally been on all sides of every issue you can name.
At the end of the they day, MOST OF THEM ON EITHER SIDE don't care give a damn about me and you. I am not saying all of them. I think there are principled people on either side, but they get in there and it is just too easy to use their power to protect their own interests rather than ours.
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As for the Democrat party without the Clintons, they are in a lot of trouble, as they have NO ONE with any charisma, or even sense, left. Not that Hillary had either, but she had the name.
The Republicans, for their part, are gambling by playing ball with Trump, but they didn't have any choice. Though they have done a good job of capiltalizing on Obama and winning back Congress, the governorships, and the local governments, their brand was badly hurt at a presidential level in the Bush years, and they have to have this new, populist wing of the party. Will it work? We shall see.
In all fairness you really could say something similar about the Bushes.
Not really.
1992 - GH Bush
1996 - Bob Dole (Ross Perot)
2000 - GW Bush
2004 - GW Bush
2008 - John McCain
2012 - Mitt Romney
2016 - Trump
In 2016 JEB turned out to be a non-contender. It's clear the establishment would have greatly preferred Marco Rubio. Furthermore GH Bush, unlike Bill Clinton was there because he was Reagan's VP. Clinton came in and made the Democrat party his own in part, by effectively pushing out the progressive wing led by the Kennedys.
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Of course, there is Chelsea. I had thought that maybe she wasn't the brightest bulb in the pack, but I think in that case she took after her mother, Hillary, so I guess that would be a "maybe".
