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Old 04-04-2017, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Bronx, New York
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If we are talking about the 'Acela Corridor', Maryland, Delaware, Pennsylvania, New Jersey......!

While PA did go Trump, the article make no type of connection as to how the rest of that corridor will go red! The columnist only interviews one struggling DC cab driver, and goes on about automation. While it makes reference to "shuttered machine shops, refineries, steel mills and manufacturing plants," It makes no argument on the amount of automation being used by companies that are, or were, specifically along that strip, nor does it give any specific employment data to that area!
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Old 04-04-2017, 11:41 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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You would think that, but 2020 is going to be a very peculiar year unless Trump can do something about his approval ratings and image. I think a lot of places will be going blue that haven't in a long time.

In 2024 and beyond though, you may be right. We will have to see what direction the post-Trump GOP goes in.
There is nothing wrong with Trumps approval rating or his image among those who voted for him. It's only the Democrats and Anti-Trumpsters (both Dems and Repubs), who didn't vote for him anyway, who hate him, but no more than they did before.

Once his agenda is implemented and people see their lives turning around; i.e., jobs, more money in their pockets, and a booming economy (which has already begun to improve greatly) as well as the rebuilding of our military, which is what keeps us safe, I think there are going to be a lot of converts by 2020.
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Old 04-04-2017, 12:37 PM
 
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There is nothing wrong with Trumps approval rating or his image among those who voted for him. It's only the Democrats and Anti-Trumpsters (both Dems and Repubs), who didn't vote for him anyway, who hate him, but no more than they did before.

Once his agenda is implemented and people see their lives turning around; i.e., jobs, more money in their pockets, and a booming economy (which has already begun to improve greatly) as well as the rebuilding of our military, which is what keeps us safe, I think there are going to be a lot of converts by 2020.

Yeah , but what if there is a Recession 2 years from now? What if the unemployment rate is higher four years from now than when he took office which was about 4.8 percent?
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Old 04-04-2017, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Kansas
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You would think that, but 2020 is going to be a very peculiar year unless Trump can do something about his approval ratings and image. I think a lot of places will be going blue that haven't in a long time.

In 2024 and beyond though, you may be right. We will have to see what direction the post-Trump GOP goes in.
Trump is doing great! Going "blue"? Yeah, wasn't that supposed to happen in 2016?

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Approval ratings do not matter any more than those polls saying HRC would win big.

Dems have zippo outside of what they won 4 months ago.
I think they are in worse shape with no leadership to help them get over their grief and start to rebuild the party. I mean, they are talking Hillary again or Oprah!

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In 2020 Trump will not have the advantage of running against a hugely unpopular candidate who was bogged down in scandals and unable to connect with voters or run a decent campaign. If the Rs had someone other than Trump Hillary would have also lost the popular vote.


I have seen nothing in the last couple of months that suggests Trump is expanding his support. 46% is too low of a total to hold of a decent opposing candidate. And younger voters who sat this one out because it was a 'none of the above' choice of candidates may return to the polls.
And, which Democrat is that without scandals and having an ability to connect with voters, wasn't that Bernie? Wait, those things didn't matter in 2016 now did they?

The polls said Hillary Clinton would win, so continue on with the fantasy. She did not win.

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There is nothing wrong with Trumps approval rating or his image among those who voted for him. It's only the Democrats and Anti-Trumpsters (both Dems and Repubs), who didn't vote for him anyway, who hate him, but no more than they did before.

Once his agenda is implemented and people see their lives turning around; i.e., jobs, more money in their pockets, and a booming economy (which has already begun to improve greatly) as well as the rebuilding of our military, which is what keeps us safe, I think there are going to be a lot of converts by 2020.
Yes! Many are already falling in line and concentrating on our country rather than pouting over their personal agendas.

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Yeah , but what if there is a Recession 2 years from now? What if the unemployment rate is higher four years from now than when he took office which was about 4.8 percent?
What if aliens land and take over the earth? Gee, maybe they'll put Hillary in office! That's about her only path to the WH at this point!

I think voters will be happy to give Trump another 4 years to polish up what he gets started in our recovery as a nation.
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Old 04-04-2017, 12:57 PM
 
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If we are talking about the 'Acela Corridor', Maryland, Delaware, Pennsylvania, New Jersey......!

While PA did go Trump, the article make no type of connection as to how the rest of that corridor will go red! The columnist only interviews one struggling DC cab driver, and goes on about automation. While it makes reference to "shuttered machine shops, refineries, steel mills and manufacturing plants," It makes no argument on the amount of automation being used by companies that are, or were, specifically along that strip, nor does it give any specific employment data to that area!
It also doesn't address the differences in the voter demographics between the two areas. Acela has higher percentages of minorities and white college grads. There are fewer white non-college voters for the R's to bank on. There's a reason why the region as a whole didn't swoon for Trump. His strongest voting bloc is weaker in Acela than in the South and rural Midwest.

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Old 04-04-2017, 03:03 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Yeah , but what if there is a Recession 2 years from now? What if the unemployment rate is higher four years from now than when he took office which was about 4.8 percent?
Are you anticipating a recession 2 years from now? Why? Based on what? And why would the unemployment rate go higher when we are quite likely going to have more jobs created than in the entire last eight years, which were abysmal. Hard to imagine worse than what we've just been through.

By-the-way, the unemployment rate is far higher than the number you are using, which doesn't include those who have just dropped out of the work force. They don't count them anymore. The labor participation rate shows that about 50% of those who are still of working age, and able to work, are unemployed. That is the real rate.
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Old 04-04-2017, 04:16 PM
 
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Are you anticipating a recession 2 years from now? Why? Based on what? And why would the unemployment rate go higher when we are quite likely going to have more jobs created than in the entire last eight years, which were abysmal. Hard to imagine worse than what we've just been through.

By-the-way, the unemployment rate is far higher than the number you are using, which doesn't include those who have just dropped out of the work force. They don't count them anymore. The labor participation rate shows that about 50% of those who are still of working age, and able to work, are unemployed. That is the real rate.
I don't want a Recession to happen , but the last one happened in December of 2007 about 10 years ago. Your saying​ Trump is going create a lot of jobs ,and easily get re-elected which would then be 14 years? Maybe 18 years with out a Recession? That's never happened in history whether we have a mild or severe one we always have a recession on an average from 7-8 years. The longest time we've been without a Recession was from the 90s to the early 00s when bush took office back in 2001. We'll see if Trump succeeds in breaking that streak ,and if he does succeed then hey more power to him.
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Old 04-04-2017, 06:12 PM
 
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It also doesn't address the differences in the voter demographics between the two areas. Acela has higher percentages of minorities and white college grads. There are fewer white non-college voters for the R's to bank on. There's a reason why the region as a whole didn't swoon for Trump. His strongest voting bloc is weaker in Acela than in the South and rural Midwest.
I agree Acela and West Coast is all that is left of the Blue Wall..which looks like the Berlin Wall nowadays.
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Old 04-04-2017, 08:06 PM
 
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I'm not sure which state she's claiming is supposed to "go red" soon. Maryland? It won't happen, there's too big of a black population, combined with the high-end D.C. suburbs. Minnesota is the state that Democrats need to worry about defecting next.
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Old 04-04-2017, 08:48 PM
 
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You would think that, but 2020 is going to be a very peculiar year unless Trump can do something about his approval ratings and image. I think a lot of places will be going blue that haven't in a long time.

In 2024 and beyond though, you may be right. We will have to see what direction the post-Trump GOP goes in.
People said that would happen in 2016. It didn't. GWB was hated by many but he still won the reelection.
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