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Old 04-02-2017, 04:00 PM
 
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This is the next Democratic stronghold to crack like the Rust Belt | New York Post

Great column. Zito hits it out of the park as always.
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Old 04-02-2017, 06:05 PM
 
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You would think that, but 2020 is going to be a very peculiar year unless Trump can do something about his approval ratings and image. I think a lot of places will be going blue that haven't in a long time.

In 2024 and beyond though, you may be right. We will have to see what direction the post-Trump GOP goes in.
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Old 04-02-2017, 06:09 PM
 
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You would think that, but 2020 is going to be a very peculiar year unless Trump can do something about his approval ratings and image. I think a lot of places will be going blue that haven't in a long time.

In 2024 and beyond though, you may be right. We will have to see what direction the post-Trump GOP goes in.
Approval ratings do not matter any more than those polls saying HRC would win big.

Dems have zippo outside of what they won 4 months ago.
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Old 04-02-2017, 06:12 PM
 
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Approval ratings do not matter any more than those polls saying HRC would win big.

Dems have zippo outside of what they won 4 months ago.
You have to be living in a bubble to think Trump is popular. If the election was held again today he would surely lose. His die-hard supporters would still be voting Trump, but many who were on the fence would probably go Hillary if they could do it over again.
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Old 04-02-2017, 06:16 PM
 
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You have to be living in a bubble to think Trump is popular. If the election was held again today he would surely lose. His die-hard supporters would still be voting Trump, but many who were on the fence would probably go Hillary if they could do it over again.
He'd win today with the same states.

Red Wall held, Blue Wall cracked just where I sensed it would middle of 2016, posting articles here on the Rust Belt working class. (Salena Zito column on the issue talked of the polling differential by state even now)

Single national Polls mean squat. We run 51 individual elections.
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Old 04-02-2017, 06:17 PM
 
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Excellent column
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Old 04-03-2017, 06:42 AM
 
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In 2020 Trump will not have the advantage of running against a hugely unpopular candidate who was bogged down in scandals and unable to connect with voters or run a decent campaign. If the Rs had someone other than Trump Hillary would have also lost the popular vote.


I have seen nothing in the last couple of months that suggests Trump is expanding his support. 46% is too low of a total to hold of a decent opposing candidate. And younger voters who sat this one out because it was a 'none of the above' choice of candidates may return to the polls.
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Old 04-03-2017, 07:17 AM
 
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In 2020 Trump will not have the advantage of running against a hugely unpopular candidate who was bogged down in scandals and unable to connect with voters or run a decent campaign. If the Rs had someone other than Trump Hillary would have also lost the popular vote.


I have seen nothing in the last couple of months that suggests Trump is expanding his support. 46% is too low of a total to hold of a decent opposing candidate. And younger voters who sat this one out because it was a 'none of the above' choice of candidates may return to the polls.
Had the GOP run a "mainstreet" Republican (AKA a marxist. Yes I know), yep
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Old 04-04-2017, 09:08 AM
 
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He'd win today with the same states.

Red Wall held, Blue Wall cracked just where I sensed it would middle of 2016, posting articles here on the Rust Belt working class. (Salena Zito column on the issue talked of the polling differential by state even now)
I'm not so sure. Many people were willing to give Trump a chance. And what’s one of the very first things he did? Appointed a fast food CEO to head up the labor department. A real indicator that the plight of the working class in America keeps him up at night. Trump’s betrayals are, like him -- blunt, flagrant and outrageous.
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Old 04-04-2017, 10:58 AM
 
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I'm not so sure. Many people were willing to give Trump a chance. And whatís one of the very first things he did? Appointed a fast food CEO to head up the labor department. A real indicator that the plight of the working class in America keeps him up at night. Trumpís betrayals are, like him -- blunt, flagrant and outrageous.
I didn't vote for Trump but I was willing to give him a chance prior to Jan 20th. At bare-minimum he could have appointed qualified individuals to his cabinet to help compensate for his lack of experience. However, this has played out the absolute worst it possibly could have.

I don't agree with Trump's policies on a lot of issues, but his policies are not what scares me most about him. If a competent leader had the same positions as Trump, I would have a lot more respect for them despite not agreeing. Trump specifically, with his lack of experience and competence, especially when dealing with foreign affairs, is a big problem. This nation is currently in serious jeopardy.
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