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Old 04-16-2017, 08:54 PM
 
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No thanks. The Rust Belt seems to be dreaming of a day when Democrats beg for their favor. I would rather they live with Republican policies than for Democrats to cater to them. .
I hope the DNC continues to diss them. I adore seeing GOP control Congress, Senate, POTUS, and most governors offices.
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Old 04-16-2017, 08:58 PM
 
Location: 130 Miles E of Sacramento
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and ritzy Atlanta burbs are hardly blue. Dems need inner city population growth and for them to actually turn out and vote.
Same with Southern California. Dems can easily win Los Angeles due to having a huge inner city and many ethnic neighborhoods. But Orange County, Riverside/San Bernardino and the San Diego burbs are red. Due to Southern California having a huge amount of illegals, it has flipped blue.
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Old 04-16-2017, 09:23 PM
 
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If you don't want the Dems to win over the midwest, that's fine. You can guarantee Republican victories for many elections to come
Great, Seacove, you, and I will all enjoy GOP dominance for many years to come.
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Old 04-16-2017, 09:40 PM
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Location: Suburban Dallas
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If anyone thinks that the Democrats are going to regain any kind of strength, then I've got 900 acres of West Texas desert land that I'd like to sell you. No way that red states are going blue any time soon. And blue states are going to have a hard enough time staying blue because people are finally seeing what Democrats really are and what they're all about, with some folks either going independent or switching party lines entirely. More and more Republicans are winning governor seats and mayoral races, and that trend will continue through state and city elections in the next two years. And it's speculated that the Senate could have 60 Republican seats after that same amount of time.

And to make it worse for the leftists, they never vote in mid-term elections.
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Old 04-16-2017, 09:53 PM
 
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If you don't want the Dems to win over the midwest, that's fine. You can guarantee Republican victories for many elections to come
I don't care! Catering to the Rust Belt is too high a price. If it's a race to the bottom, it's a race I don't want to participate in. If the Midwest wants to go red, they should! Kansas re-elected Brownback! Let Republicans do with them what they will, no pity from me, they are voting for it! Blue states should move forward and create as much distance as they can from red states.
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Old 04-16-2017, 09:57 PM
 
Location: Rome, Georgia
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Remember when the Republican Party was dead and buried and would never win another election? Yeah, that was just a couple of years ago that Dems were saying that. You (R)s would be wise to remember that. It doesn't take much as far as world events goes to sway these elections. Right now, people are pretty sick of a stagnant economy and relentless terror attacks, but people have short memories and the American public usually does a good job checking and balancing.

As far as red states turning blue, Georgia is an interesting case, even more so for me because I'm a Georgian. It is true that the Metro Atlanta area is growing, its true that the hard core rural demographic is aging, and its true that the younger voters in rural areas are voting bluer. Public education bias, plus more tolerance for alternative lifestyles is seeing more people shy away from Republican ideals, not to mention the decline of the church in public life. Even in my small city in the sticks, churches are seeing declining attendance and (D) candidates are seeing an increase in voter base.

I don't see Georgia voting blue in the next election or two, but I would say its cause for concern for the Republican party. With Florida and Virginia as swing states, North Carolina a wildcard, and Georgia turning, there's no such thing as the Solid South.
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Old 04-16-2017, 10:26 PM
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Location: Nescopeck, Penna. (birthplace)
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So tired of the fallacy that blue states = non-working and red states = working. It is provenly false. The unemployment in Seattle is around 3%. San Francisco is 3.4%. The top five states on Social Security Disability (aka permanent unemployment and includes Medicare) are all in the South, West Virginia (almost 10% of the state is on Disability), Arkansas, Alabama, Kentucky and Mississippi. In fact, as welfare has steadily decreased, Disability has increased in direct proportion.
http://apps.npr.org/unfit-for-work/

Welfare is funded by the state while Social Security Disability is federally funded. In fact, when Eric Conn was caught making millions on false Disability claims, they tried to stop the payments to have them reviewed. Immediately Eastern Kentucky protested.

"The move was a blow in Eastern Kentucky, where disability income is a significant part of the economy.

The agency decided not to cut off off checks during the re-determination process after Republican U.S. Rep. Hal Rogers interceded."

Well-known disability lawyer Eric Conn pleads guilty in federal fraud case | Lexington Herald Leader

Republicans do not work more than Democrats, in fact, it appears the truth is quite the opposite. There is no reason the Eastern Kentucky economy should be depending on Social Security Disability. Of course, their Republican congressman kept the payments coming to Eastern Kentucky. Why do my tax dollars need to go to Eastern Kentucky?!

I don't care if red states stay red, as long as I'm not paying for them. My blue state just wants to keep our tax dollars at home and tell red states to pay for themselves.
I deliberately added the terms "compassion" and "productivity" to the simpler "work" vs "welfare" comparison because this need not be a polarizing issue. The problem arises because, as the American nation continues to lose the huge economic advantage it has held since the end of the Second World War, we will eventually be forced to decide how deep a safety net a post-industrial economy, more dependent upon demeaning service-sector jobs which can no longer be delegated to struggling immigrants, will be able to afford.

But with regard to supposed economic benefits for one group of states over another, it should be recognized that the underlying statistics are subject to many different forms of interpretation. The swing state of Florida, for example, contains a high proportion of retirees who are heavy consumers of Federal benefits and Federally-funded medical services, while Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania all have a low concentration of Federally-owned land and Federal institutions and facilities. Figures don't lie, but they can be carefully chosen to support a fallacious argument.
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Old 04-16-2017, 10:27 PM
 
Location: Glendale NY
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I don't care! Catering to the Rust Belt is too high a price. If it's a race to the bottom, it's a race I don't want to participate in. If the Midwest wants to go red, they should! Kansas re-elected Brownback! Let Republicans do with them what they will, no pity from me, they are voting for it! Blue states should move forward and create as much distance as they can from red states.
You need some tissues?
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Old 04-16-2017, 11:13 PM
 
Location: 130 Miles E of Sacramento
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Why do my tax dollars need to go to Eastern Kentucky?!

I don't care if red states stay red, as long as I'm not paying for them. My blue state just wants to keep our tax dollars at home and tell red states to pay for themselves.
The federal government distributes tax funds to all 50 states. They don't get to pick and choose which states should receive funding. This is the reality of paying federal taxes. If you don't like it and choose not to pay, the police will escort you to the nearest jail cell.
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Old 04-16-2017, 11:32 PM
 
Location: Springfield, Ohio
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Gotta love all the "Rust Belt" experts who don't live here. History has shown the so-called Rust Belt and Midwest in general vote for the candidate, not the party. Michigan, Wisconsin and Ohio aren't all of a sudden going to be voting Republican every election just because of one (close) presidential result in 2016.
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