What red states could go blue? (health care system, salaries, enemy, campaign)

[workingclasshero]

Originally Posted by bawac34618

I think if the situation in the Rust Belt is making those states competitive and as some have stated, moving more towards the Republican column, I think the same thing could be said about some other states moving in the opposite direction.

I think Arizona could easily flip to being a blue state given the demographic changes out there and the Hispanic influence. The state also doesn't have a huge evangelical bent and is more libertarian than authoritarian on social issues. Arizona also has strong cultural ties to Southern California, which other than in Los Angeles proper, once leaned Republican but now is a solidly blue megalopolis.

I think Georgia is the next state to do with Virginia did. Metro Atlanta is growing and becoming bluer, while rural Georgia is aging. I think the balance will be tipped there soon and Georgia will become a blue-leaning state, much like Virginia.

North Carolina on the other hand is more likely to become a Florida. It will remain a red leaning state but be very competitive for Democrats.

The big thing the GOP needs to watch is Texas. Texas is currently seeing an influx of people from all over the country and world. It's cities are becoming very culturally and politically diverse and that breeds liberalism. It shows as most of Texas' large cities are solidly liberal. The state is simply so large and has such a large rural population that Republicans dominate it. That could change. As Texas cities continue to grow and become more diverse and rural Texas continues to decline, the scale could tip there in favor of the Democrats. If that ever happens, the GOP is done. I think that we are probably 10-12 years away from this if it were to happen, but it's something the GOP needs to watch if it wants to remain a viable national party in the future.

uhm...

most states are purple rather than all blue or red

Arizona will stay red in general, only a few blue counties

North Carolina, was controlled by the democrats for 100 years at the state level... for potus, its quite purple with 90 of the 100 counties going red, but the 10 'city' counties going blue

Virginia...nova is blue, yet the rest of the state is red

Georgia... Atlanta is blue, yet the rest of the state is red

even 'blue' new York, 90% of the state is red, with the exception of NYC (and Hillary even lost Richmond county (Staten Island)which is one of the 5 boroughs of NYC)

texas...will never go fully blue...only some of the big cities might

here is texas for the last election



the fact is the message of the fascist liberals is starting to die, and I expect the liberals will no longer have a foothold within the USA within the next 16-20 years

[majoun]

Originally Posted by Kevdawgg

Same with Southern California. Dems can easily win Los Angeles due to having a huge inner city and many ethnic neighborhoods. But Orange County, Riverside/San Bernardino and the San Diego burbs are red. Due to Southern California having a huge amount of illegals, it has flipped blue.

Not anymore. Southern California is all blue now. Central and Northern California have large red areas though.

[workingclasshero]

Originally Posted by Seacove

So tired of the fallacy that blue states = non-working and red states = working. It is provenly false. The unemployment in Seattle is around 3%. San Francisco is 3.4%. The top five states on Social Security Disability (aka permanent unemployment and includes Medicare) are all in the South, West Virginia (almost 10% of the state is on Disability), Arkansas, Alabama, Kentucky and Mississippi. In fact, as welfare has steadily decreased, Disability has increased in direct proportion.
http://apps.npr.org/unfit-for-work/

Welfare is funded by the state while Social Security Disability is federally funded. In fact, when Eric Conn was caught making millions on false Disability claims, they tried to stop the payments to have them reviewed. Immediately Eastern Kentucky protested.

"The move was a blow in Eastern Kentucky, where disability income is a significant part of the economy.

The agency decided not to cut off off checks during the re-determination process after Republican U.S. Rep. Hal Rogers interceded."
Well-known disability lawyer Eric Conn pleads guilty in federal fraud case | Lexington Herald Leader

Republicans do not work more than Democrats, in fact, it appears the truth is quite the opposite. There is no reason the Eastern Kentucky economy should be depending on Social Security Disability. Of course, their Republican congressman kept the payments coming to Eastern Kentucky. Why do my tax dollars need to go to Eastern Kentucky?!

I don't care if red states stay red, as long as I'm not paying for them. My blue state just wants to keep our tax dollars at home and tell red states to pay for themselves.

please DEFINE blue state

let's look at just one New York....out of 62 counties... Hillary won only 16..... trump took 46 counties...doesn't sound very blue to me

look at VERY BLUE Maryland...out of 24 counties... Hillary won only 7..... trump took 17 counties


mean while the liberal states are running so much debt, not even the federal government could bail them out

cali has nearly 1 trillion in debt


The BIGGEST US WELFARE STATES –Year Researched Data———2011

State——-% of Pop on Welfare—–Spending on Welfare—-Total on Welfare—–Unemp

#1. California……………3.30%………………$3 .28 BILLION………..1,212,893…….11.5%

#2. Maine………………..2.37%……………….$ 61.73 MILLION………..31,148……….8.3%

#3. Tennessee………….2.15%……………..$91.28 MILLION……….133,505……….10.7%

#4. Massachusetts…….2.09%…………….$295.29 MILLION………136,033………8.2%

#5. Vermont…………….2.02%……………..$30.9 2 MILLION………..12,543……..7.3%

#6. Wash DC…………..1.99%……………….$18.67 MILLION………..11,806………..10.7%

#7. New York…………..1.92%………………$1.47 BILLION…………..373,305………8.2%

#8. Minnesota…………..1.88%………………$106 .29 MILLION………98,028…….8.2%

#9. Washington…………1.86%………………$265. 88 MILLION……121,864……..9.4%

#10. New Mexico……….1.83%………………$58.87 MILLION…….36,322…………..6.5%

#11. Indiana……………..1.83%………………..$ 102.27 MILLION…..116,430……….10.6%

#12. Rhode Island……..1.79%……………….$57.4 MILLION…………..18,839…………..12.1%

#13. Michigan…………..1.60%………………..$38 0.93 MILLION……….164,589………14.1%

#14.Pennsylvania……….1.60%………………$ 247.29 MILLION………198,666…………8.2%

#15. Oregon…………….1.55%………………….$ 83.85 MILLION……….58,831………….12.4%


2016:

California $45.9Billion spending on welfare
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New York $18.1Billion spending on welfare



No matter what you think, the fact that 13 of the 15 states mentioned above who TAKE the most money for WELFARE are BLUE states!!!!


top 10 states per capita of welfare 2016

1. DISTRICT OF Columbia (wash DC)
2. Mississippi
3. California...34% of the NATIONS welfare recipients live in Cali
4. Rhode Island
5 West Virgiania
6. Oregon
7. Tenn
8. New Mexico
9. Maine
10. alaska
9. new york

highest dropout rates....nevada and illinois...very blue


California ranks 41st in education.... they are in the WORST 10 for primary education

[Carolina Knight]

Originally Posted by Bureaucat

Georgia's had a Republican governor since 2002.

Sonny Perdue, followed by the current governor, Nathan Deal.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...ors_of_Georgia

Sonny Perdue and Nathan Deal are liberal Democrats who are Republicans in name only. (Both switched from the Democratic Party to the Republican Party.) They are not considered "Republican" governors.

[Seacove]

Originally Posted by workingclasshero

please DEFINE blue state

let's look at just one New York....out of 62 counties... Hillary won only 16..... trump took 46 counties...doesn't sound very blue to me

look at VERY BLUE Maryland...out of 24 counties... Hillary won only 7..... trump took 17 counties

mean while the liberal states are running so much debt, not even the federal government could bail them out

cali has nearly 1 trillion in debt

The BIGGEST US WELFARE STATES –Year Researched Data———2011

State——-% of Pop on Welfare—–Spending on Welfare—-Total on Welfare—–Unemp

#1. California……………3.30%………………$3.28 BILLION………..1,212,893…….11.5%

#2. Maine………………..2.37%……………….$61.73 MILLION………..31,148……….8.3%

#3. Tennessee………….2.15%……………..$91.28 MILLION……….133,505……….10.7%

#4. Massachusetts…….2.09%…………….$295.29 MILLION………136,033………8.2%

#5. Vermont…………….2.02%……………..$30.92 MILLION………..12,543……..7.3%

#6. Wash DC…………..1.99%……………….$18.67 MILLION………..11,806………..10.7%

#7. New York…………..1.92%………………$1.47 BILLION…………..373,305………8.2%

#8. Minnesota…………..1.88%………………$106.29 MILLION………98,028…….8.2%

#9. Washington…………1.86%………………$265.88 MILLION……121,864……..9.4%

#10. New Mexico……….1.83%………………$58.87 MILLION…….36,322…………..6.5%

#11. Indiana……………..1.83%………………..$102.27 MILLION…..116,430……….10.6%

#12. Rhode Island……..1.79%……………….$57.4 MILLION…………..18,839…………..12.1%

#13. Michigan…………..1.60%………………..$380.93 MILLION……….164,589………14.1%

#14.Pennsylvania……….1.60%………………$247.29 MILLION………198,666…………8.2%

#15. Oregon…………….1.55%………………….$83.85 MILLION……….58,831………….12.4%


2016:

California $45.9Billion spending on welfare
*
New York $18.1Billion spending on welfare

No matter what you think, the fact that 13 of the 15 states mentioned above who TAKE the most money for WELFARE are BLUE states!!!!

top 10 states per capita of welfare 2016

1. DISTRICT OF Columbia (wash DC)
2. Mississippi
3. California...34% of the NATIONS welfare recipients live in Cali
4. Rhode Island
5 West Virgiania
6. Oregon
7. Tenn
8. New Mexico
9. Maine
10. alaska
9. new york

highest dropout rates....nevada and illinois...very blue

California ranks 41st in education.... they are in the WORST 10 for primary education

• 1. Welfare has been decreasing proportionally for decades as Social Security Disability has been increasing.
• 2. Welfare is state funded, Social Security Disability is federally funded. http://apps.npr.org/unfit-for-work/ That is why states are paying companies to move people off their welfare rolls on to federally funded Disability where they also receive Medicare.
• 3. The top five states on Social Security Disability are West Virginia, Arkansas, Alabama, Mississippi and Kentucky.
• 4. Talking about state funded welfare has nothing to do with federally funded Social Security Disability where my taxes are going to support the Eastern Kentucky economy because so many people are on disability that their congressman fought to continue the payments in spite of all the fraud that was discovered.
• 5. The welfare percentages cited above hover around 3% at the highest. West Virginia has almost 10% of the state on FEDERALLY FUNDED Social Security Disability.
• 6. The top ten states in education clearly trend blue and the bottom ten states in education clearly trend red. California is #40. https://wallethub.com/edu/states-wit...-schools/5335/
• 7. Land does not vote. People do. And here is the 2016 vote graphed proportionally and above it is by population. We currently have a congress that overly represents the minority because of all the rural counties. Looking forward to Trump giving all those massive tax cuts so blue counties can keep their money and tell red counties and states to pay for themselves. I won't care if they stay red as long as they stay out of my pocket.

Election maps

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by workingclasshero

uhm...

most states are purple rather than all blue or red

Arizona will stay red in general, only a few blue counties

North Carolina, was controlled by the democrats for 100 years at the state level... for potus, its quite purple with 90 of the 100 counties going red, but the 10 'city' counties going blue

Virginia...nova is blue, yet the rest of the state is red

Georgia... Atlanta is blue, yet the rest of the state is red

even 'blue' new York, 90% of the state is red, with the exception of NYC (and Hillary even lost Richmond county (Staten Island)which is one of the 5 boroughs of NYC)

texas...will never go fully blue...only some of the big cities might

here is texas for the last election



the fact is the message of the fascist liberals is starting to die, and I expect the liberals will no longer have a foothold within the USA within the next 16-20 years

Pretty sure Hillary CLinton won the state of New York with 59 percent of the vote. so, no she didnt lose 90% of the state.

do you seriously not understand that counties are not equal ??????????

[Bureaucat]

Originally Posted by Carolina Knight

Sonny Perdue and Nathan Deal are liberal Democrats who are Republicans in name only. (Both switched from the Democratic Party to the Republican Party.) They are not considered "Republican" governors.

Maybe not to you. The guy you referenced from 1872 was a Yankee carpetbagger. In the context of their times they were the "liberals".

[Carolina Knight]

History disagrees with you.

[nmnita]

Originally Posted by bawac34618

I think if the situation in the Rust Belt is making those states competitive and as some have stated, moving more towards the Republican column, I think the same thing could be said about some other states moving in the opposite direction.

I think Arizona could easily flip to being a blue state given the demographic changes out there and the Hispanic influence. The state also doesn't have a huge evangelical bent and is more libertarian than authoritarian on social issues. Arizona also has strong cultural ties to Southern California, which other than in Los Angeles proper, once leaned Republican but now is a solidly blue megalopolis.

I think Georgia is the next state to do with Virginia did. Metro Atlanta is growing and becoming bluer, while rural Georgia is aging. I think the balance will be tipped there soon and Georgia will become a blue-leaning state, much like Virginia.

North Carolina on the other hand is more likely to become a Florida. It will remain a red leaning state but be very competitive for Democrats.

The big thing the GOP needs to watch is Texas. Texas is currently seeing an influx of people from all over the country and world. It's cities are becoming very culturally and politically diverse and that breeds liberalism. It shows as most of Texas' large cities are solidly liberal. The state is simply so large and has such a large rural population that Republicans dominate it. That could change. As Texas cities continue to grow and become more diverse and rural Texas continues to decline, the scale could tip there in favor of the Democrats. If that ever happens, the GOP is done. I think that we are probably 10-12 years away from this if it were to happen, but it's something the GOP needs to watch if it wants to remain a viable national party in the future.

Texas seeing an influx of people from all over will not change the state to blue anytime soon. Just look at AR for an example. We were always blue until about 2008; now almost every state and federal elected official is a Republican. We too, have a huge influence of people from other parts of the country and world moving in Most people do not realize how diverse the state has become. As more industry moves to NWA more people from other parts of the country are re-locating here.

Va goes back and forth depending on how the wind is blowing.

AZ; unlikely to swing in the near future, but probably eventally.

[Bureaucat]

Originally Posted by Carolina Knight

History disagrees with you.

It disagrees with you if you think there hasn't been an R Governor of Georgia since Reconstruction.

If you truly believe that Perdue and Deal are "not Republicans" it would make more sense to say that in your mind there has never been a Republican Governor of Georgia.

Why?

The previous 2 Republican governors were elected during Reconstruction on the basis of votes from fellow Yankee carpetbaggers and recently freed slaves. Most of the white population of Georgia were former Confederates who were banned from voting prior to the Compromise of 1876 which permitted the election of Republican Rutherford B. Hayes as President in exchange for ending Reconstruction and removing federal troops from the South.

Just guessing, here, but if you think that Perdue and Deal, are not "real Republicans", you'd probably think the same of those long dead carpetbaggers once you examined their records, and they would probably say the same about you.