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Old 04-21-2017, 12:19 PM
 
Location: NY
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Voters don't like politicians who have a "Hey, it's my turn" attitude. Walter Mondale had it, so did Bob Dole. John McCain thought he was next in line and so did Hillary. All losers.
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Old 04-21-2017, 01:33 PM
 
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Voters don't like politicians who have a "Hey, it's my turn" attitude. Walter Mondale had it, so did Bob Dole. John McCain thought he was next in line and so did Hillary. All losers.
McCain was a little different. The republican party at that point had nobody even remotely presidential to go up against Obama.

McCain Vs. Hillary though? I think he might have won that.

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Toto IV? The album released back in 1982?

Was there a new review recently published by Rolling Stone about a 35 year old album, or have you just been holding a grudge for that long?
I wasn't alive in 1982 but for Rolling Stone to slam an album that was unanimously praised by critics and won 6 Grammy awards just goes to show how bad their judgement is. They are almost as bad as CNN in my book - slanted reporting all the way.

And yes, that album still f**king rules.
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Old 04-22-2017, 12:45 AM
 
Location: 130 Miles E of Sacramento
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There is no irony. Those complaining about Hillary did not vote for Trump.
And those complaining about Trump did not vote, voted third party or voted "none of these candidates".
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Old 04-22-2017, 03:10 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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I think the bigger identity problem for the Clintons is that they were progressive in their youth but governed very moderately.
When did Hillary Clinton govern?
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Old 04-22-2017, 05:06 PM
 
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When did Hillary Clinton govern?


Ha!, yes when?


Remember her, "We are the President!" declaration?
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Old 04-22-2017, 08:42 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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There was a 30 minute video on yahoo yesterday about this book. I'm picking it up, seems like an amazing read.

That said, Rolling Stone has been a slanted left leaning magazine for years - so I'd take what they say with a grain of salt. Honestly, even their music reviews suck. Ever see their review for Toto IV? It's like a bunch of mentally ill puppets are running that place.
Uh-make that forever. The Rolling Stone started out as an anti-establishment music newspaper at a time when the music industry was a completely dominating establishment.

It has been slanted toward youth and the cutting edge of music since the first issue.

It's political stuff has followed wherever the young readers went, and there have always been conservative staff writers who worked there alongside others who were liberal. Some of the senior writers have changed their philosophies over the years and have changed sides.

Toto was indeed hugely popular in 1983, but the critics have always been very mixed in their reviews of the band. The original members were all excellent musicians, but their music was always much better than their lyrics. That's very common in the Top 40, then and now, and music critics all tend to judge songs with as much weight to the lyrical content as the melodic content. Kids are nowhere as intent when it comes to the words of a song.

Their success is typical of bands that are made up of seasoned professional recording side men. Musicians who make their living playing to make other songwriters songs sound great learn everything there is to know about making a tune a real ear worm, but writing meaningful poetry to go along with those melodies is something most are not nearly so expert at.

Most sideman groups end up covering pro songwriter's material, as song writing is a different skill set. Toto were great arrangers, but their lyrics were as fluffy as vaporous clouds.

But there is universal critical approval of original drummer Jeff Porcaro. That guy was the best drummer in popular music, period. His sophistication, timing, and superb musicality was unsurpassed. His early death was an enormous loss. All the Porcaro brothers were great musicians, but Jeff was a musical genius.

And he never soloed. From the beginning, he believed his job was to be the timekeeper, and his sense of timing was always micro-second incredible.
All of them were sons of a professional musician, so they were all submerged in music making from the time they were born.
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Old 04-28-2017, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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If anyone recalls the first two years of Clinton;s first term wasn't great because he deferred to Hillary so much. Clinton's advisors told him to put Hilary in her place as first lady and nothing more. Once he did that he was free to govern the way he saw fit which was more of a moderate Democrat. Then he became successful. Hillary has ALWAYS been the problem. AND YES, WE DODGED A HAIL OF GUN FIRE.
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Old 04-28-2017, 11:34 PM
 
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Yikes! New Behind-the-Scenes Book Brutalizes the Clinton Campaign

Shattered is sourced almost entirely to figures inside the Clinton campaign who were and are deeply loyal to Clinton. Yet those sources tell of a campaign that spent nearly two years paralyzed by simple existential questions: Why are we running? What do we stand for?

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Most don't see elections as organic movements within populations of millions, but as dueling contests of "whip-smart" organizers who know how to get the cattle to vote the right way. If someone wins an election, the inevitable Beltway conclusion is that the winner had better puppeteers.


Love the last paragraph...

Shattered is what happens when political parties become too disconnected from their voters. Even if you think the election was stolen, any Democrat who reads this book will come away believing he or she belongs to a party stuck in a profound identity crisis. Trump or no Trump, the Democrats need therapy and soon.



This stuff is interesting because we never get to see this from inside of the Dems' camp.

What does this say to grass roots supporters that they don't care about the grass roots? It's all about winning elections - not about serving the people of the country, or making this a better country.

The article mentions her having someone access servers and secretly reading her staffers' emails after she lost in 2008. She assumed it was their fault she lost to Obama.

They didn't know what they stood for. All of the years she has been in the political arena, and there was no mission for the country.

Here's the truth... Hillary knew what she stood for - she just couldn't be truthful about it because that would have been the last day of her campaign. She stood for profiting in the family business of selling political influence through the Clinton Foundation.

We dodged a big bullet...
But isn't that what Trump is doing. His tax reform benefits him and the rich. It does nothing for the middle class.
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Old 05-01-2017, 05:53 AM
 
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When did Hillary Clinton govern?
She governed as SoS 4 years and a US Senator for 8 years. The Senate is not executive but it does give you a track record and you govern as part of the larger body. And her record was dull, dull, dull. Bill could triangulate like a pro but Hillary simultaneously riled conservatives and left progressives cold with her decisions.


As far as the other posters' thoughts on McCain- I think what really sunk him was spending a week making that canned speech about 'the fundamentals of our economy are strong' only to have the White House announce they need 650 gazillion dollars or we could kiss out asses good bye. His choice of Palin was also a dud. But he is actually the nominee least similar/least associated to their own parties most recent nominee that I can name. In 00 and 12 Dems ran what people felt were continuation candidates who both won the popular vote and lost the EC. McCain was not really seen as a continuation candidate.
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Old 05-01-2017, 01:33 PM
 
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I'm reading the book right now. A must read for every Democrat. It cannot be overstated how screwed up Hillary and her campaign apparatus was. Particularly amazing is that she was so insulated that her campaign manager Robby Mook didn't even have a direct line of access to her. He actually had to get on her calendar also. Mind-boggling to the extreme. But not surprising.

Hillary Clinton lost fair and square.....because of Hillary Clinton....not because of Russia or any other made up boogeyman.
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