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Old 04-21-2017, 06:59 AM
 
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Yikes! New Behind-the-Scenes Book Brutalizes the Clinton Campaign

Shattered is sourced almost entirely to figures inside the Clinton campaign who were and are deeply loyal to Clinton. Yet those sources tell of a campaign that spent nearly two years paralyzed by simple existential questions: Why are we running? What do we stand for?

...
Most don't see elections as organic movements within populations of millions, but as dueling contests of "whip-smart" organizers who know how to get the cattle to vote the right way. If someone wins an election, the inevitable Beltway conclusion is that the winner had better puppeteers.


Love the last paragraph...

Shattered is what happens when political parties become too disconnected from their voters. Even if you think the election was stolen, any Democrat who reads this book will come away believing he or she belongs to a party stuck in a profound identity crisis. Trump or no Trump, the Democrats need therapy – and soon.



This stuff is interesting because we never get to see this from inside of the Dems' camp.

What does this say to grass roots supporters that they don't care about the grass roots? It's all about winning elections - not about serving the people of the country, or making this a better country.

The article mentions her having someone access servers and secretly reading her staffers' emails after she lost in 2008. She assumed it was their fault she lost to Obama.

They didn't know what they stood for. All of the years she has been in the political arena, and there was no mission for the country.

Here's the truth... Hillary knew what she stood for - she just couldn't be truthful about it because that would have been the last day of her campaign. She stood for profiting in the family business of selling political influence through the Clinton Foundation.

We dodged a big bullet...
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Old 04-21-2017, 07:11 AM
 
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Shadoobi.....
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Old 04-21-2017, 07:49 AM
 
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I think the bigger identity problem for the Clintons is that they were progressive in their youth but governed very moderately. Even Bill who could give a blinding speech and had the best grasp of statistics of any president I remember did a better job as a mediator or reacting to conditions than creating them. If the reason o put someone in the job is that they'll find a course once they get there- you have a hard sell. While they were no longer progressive enough for many on the left, a lot of others still felt they were blindingly liberal. Which is humorous now that women in the workplace, gay marriage, divorce, abortion rights, the basic aspects of civil rights are viewed as the norm. They basically have outlived their political brand.


Another big problem is that Hillary lacks charisma when you turn on the bright lights. Fair or not most of out elections after the mid 70s basically went to the person who appeared more comfortable in their own skin.


The irony about people discussing Clinton influence peddling is that Trump has already matched and exceeded their feats. Its funny that we had two major party candidates who had Ds longing for Bush and Rs saying Obama wasn't that bad...


I want to read this book and one I saw reviewed elsewhere about American complacency that supposedly has a blurb about how this last election was really about complacency- Dems think the WH was theirs and many in the Rust Belt upset about having to adapt.
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Old 04-21-2017, 09:50 AM
 
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There is no irony. Those complaining about Hillary did not vote for Trump.
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Old 04-21-2017, 10:10 AM
 
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No matter what she might have ever done good or bad, I can never stand her shrill, nor the shrill from Michael Obama.

Thank God for Donald Trump.

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...so I'd take what they say with a grain of salt. Honestly, even their music reviews suck. Ever see their review for Toto IV? It's like a bunch of mentally ill puppets are running that place.
... Or a mad dash of habanero sauce.

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Old 04-21-2017, 11:20 AM
 
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Yikes! New Behind-the-Scenes Book Brutalizes the Clinton Campaign

Shattered is sourced almost entirely to figures inside the Clinton campaign who were and are deeply loyal to Clinton. Yet those sources tell of a campaign that spent nearly two years paralyzed by simple existential questions: Why are we running? What do we stand for?

...
Most don't see elections as organic movements within populations of millions, but as dueling contests of "whip-smart" organizers who know how to get the cattle to vote the right way. If someone wins an election, the inevitable Beltway conclusion is that the winner had better puppeteers.


Love the last paragraph...

Shattered is what happens when political parties become too disconnected from their voters. Even if you think the election was stolen, any Democrat who reads this book will come away believing he or she belongs to a party stuck in a profound identity crisis. Trump or no Trump, the Democrats need therapy – and soon.



This stuff is interesting because we never get to see this from inside of the Dems' camp.

What does this say to grass roots supporters that they don't care about the grass roots? It's all about winning elections - not about serving the people of the country, or making this a better country.

The article mentions her having someone access servers and secretly reading her staffers' emails after she lost in 2008. She assumed it was their fault she lost to Obama.

They didn't know what they stood for. All of the years she has been in the political arena, and there was no mission for the country.

Here's the truth... Hillary knew what she stood for - she just couldn't be truthful about it because that would have been the last day of her campaign. She stood for profiting in the family business of selling political influence through the Clinton Foundation.

We dodged a big bullet...
There was a 30 minute video on yahoo yesterday about this book. I'm picking it up, seems like an amazing read.

That said, Rolling Stone has been a slanted left leaning magazine for years - so I'd take what they say with a grain of salt. Honestly, even their music reviews suck. Ever see their review for Toto IV? It's like a bunch of mentally ill puppets are running that place.
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Old 04-21-2017, 11:34 AM
 
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Toto IV? The album released back in 1982?

Was there a new review recently published by Rolling Stone about a 35 year old album, or have you just been holding a grudge for that long?
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Old 04-21-2017, 11:45 AM
 
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Shadoobi.....
Ha! That was my first thought, too. I was scratching my head, thinking, "why is this in elections?"
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Old 04-21-2017, 11:54 AM
 
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Hillary was no Bill and luckily enough people saw right through her two face lies.

Trump is not the best but it is scary to think what would be going on if Hillary had won but of course we would be hearing very little of the negativitiy because the media wouldn't report it.

We dodged a bomb with Hillary.
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Old 04-21-2017, 12:12 PM
 
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Toto IV? The album released back in 1982?

Was there a new review recently published by Rolling Stone about a 35 year old album, or have you just been holding a grudge for that long?
Why don't you just McGowdogGoogle it and look for yourself?
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