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Old 04-23-2017, 05:37 PM
 
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This is really a very easy one. Trump is both more loved and more hated.

Clinton had no real base of suppport, because she is not authentic in any way and has been on all sides of every issue, while collecting corporate money and outright blood money from terrorist nations hand over fist. Still, she had more popular support overall than Trump just because she is not Trump. A lot of people were voting for her just because she is not Trump. She failed to do the one thing that they wanted her to do: stop Donald Trump, and now she is a outright loser in their eyes and they wish she would just go away. It is very similar to how Republicans have no real love for McCain or Romney. They failed to stop Obama, and the party hopes they go away for good.

Trump, though he had 3 million less overall, actually stood for something and has a real base that will stand by him regardless, pretty much until the bitter end. He has a ceiling, but also a basement.

This is why the Dems are going to have to chose very carefully next time. They cannot choose a Warren type if they want any chance. If they expect to win, they have to find someone who is not a total phony.
Agreed.

Kinda like Obama, Bill Clinton, Reagan and so on.
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Old 04-23-2017, 05:53 PM
 
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It is hard to know who would win in a rematch. The wildcard is if the Clinton campaign could figure out how to count electoral votes and put appropriate effort into the correct places.
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Old 04-23-2017, 05:58 PM
 
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I understand.......you are good with Socialism when you seeing it as beneficial to you.
I am not, but other liberals have fine with Euro Liberalism.. Obama almost destroyed the supplier change in the automotive industry. Trump is s disrupting you guys on the left which want Globalism and open borders.


Business under current law is protected by law , like Chapter 13 to reorganized so people will not loss their jobs.
The Automotive Industry should of been under Chapter 13 and let the laws on the books work as they do. since this would include labor contracts re-organized, the Unions wanted not part of that!


Trump is going against the establishment and it has been messy!
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Old 04-23-2017, 05:59 PM
 
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Anti-Trumpers and liberal troll news organizations are making it easier and easier... love it...
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Old 04-23-2017, 06:12 PM
 
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Anti-Trumpers and liberal troll news organizations are making it easier and easier... love it...
The funny thing about it is they are paid by the DNC indirectly or directly and thru Media Matters (Soros)


If you will Paid Hatesters!
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Old 04-23-2017, 11:31 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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I argued last week that anecdotal stories about disillusioned Trump supporters were overdone. The fact is that, on a broad scale, Trump supporters say they aren't disappointed. In fact, a poll showed they were more pleased than disappointed, by about 5 to 1:

...The Pew Research Center released a poll showing very little buyer's remorse among Trump voters. The poll showed just 7 percent of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents say Trump has performed worse than they expected him to. Fully 38 percent — five times as many — say he has performed better.
A new Washington Post-ABC News poll confirms this — in spades. And, in fact, it shows more buyer's remorse for Trump's opponent in the 2016 election, Hillary Clinton. And were the 2016 election held again today, it shows Trump would avenge his popular-vote loss.

Analysis | Trump voters don

When the Wash Post says THIS ^^^ that means stuff just got real.
The Washington post article does not include the information about Clinton that the MSN article claims it does.

The poll also asks a Push question. Do you regret voting for Trump, or was it the right thing to do. Those things are not mutually exclusive. Something can be both. that 7% disappointed number is also a push question as one of those questions said 38% say he hasnt done enough yet, so they are obviously disappointed and just didnt say so in the other question.


As for Clinton, the question is being phrased in the context of a lose. If you tell me im going to lose anyways, then my answer would change to.
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Old 04-23-2017, 11:39 PM
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Location: New York Area
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Trump may not get everything done , however people like his go get actions! Plus Trump is not afraid of hurting peoples feelings. Offended oh dear!

I would rather deal with reality instead of the sugar coated left BS.
My view too. I am an extreme left-winger. I voted for Hillary. I now cautiously admire Trump. That started from the day he took the call from Taiwan's president.

Politically I am to the left of Che Guevara, Nicolás Maduro, Hugo Chavez, Catherine Boudine and Fidel Castro.
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Old 04-24-2017, 08:07 AM
 
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I am not, but other liberals have fine with Euro Liberalism.. Obama almost destroyed the supplier change in the automotive industry.
No he didn't. What he did was wrong and hugely hypocritical but there was no risk to the supplier chain.

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Trump is s disrupting you guys on the left which want Globalism and open borders.
I'm against TPP, NAFTA and open borders. It always devolves into this when you are painted into a corner you can not defend.

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Business under current law is protected by law , like Chapter 13 to reorganized so people will not loss their jobs.
The Automotive Industry should of been under Chapter 13 and let the laws on the books work as they do. since this would include labor contracts re-organized, the Unions wanted not part of that!
Chapter 13 is for small businesses that are not a corporation. GM filed Chapter 11 which is for corporations. It's funny how many people don't understand that they did file bankruptcy. The world didn't end as so many had previously predicted. No, it was not done correctly and that will come back to haunt GM again.

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Trump is going against the establishment and it has been messy!
While it is early and there are things he may do, so far he really hasn't done squat.
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Old 04-24-2017, 08:13 AM
 
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President Trump is winning every day. Bigly. Yes things are messy, but if you want to make an omelet, you gotta break a few eggs.


Let the good times roll.
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Old 04-24-2017, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Everyone that voted for Trump would vote for him again as he's doing what he said he was going to do. Everyone that voted against would do the same because he is doing what he said he was going to do.
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