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Old 05-01-2017, 11:01 PM
 
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That not a good, argument. you are saying Democrats have limited themselves to being repulsive to 0.0001% of the population. There are more people who hate Cubans than there are Cubans repulsed by Democrats.
I have no idea what you're talking about. I do know we're discussing how Cubans vote, and now you're all bent out of shape. Fact is, I'm Cuban. I was born in Cuba. Spanish is my native language (1 of 3). And I lived among Cubans nearly all my life. They generally despise the things that Democrats represent.
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Old 05-02-2017, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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I have no idea what you're talking about. I do know we're discussing how Cubans vote, and now you're all bent out of shape. Fact is, I'm Cuban. I was born in Cuba. Spanish is my native language (1 of 3). And I lived among Cubans nearly all my life. They generally despise the things that Democrats represent.
Older Cubans tend to be heavily Republican. However, younger Cubans have trended heavily Democratic.

This particular district has one of the largest Cuban populations in the country. Bush won it easily both times, Obama won it by 1 point in 2008 (under the current lines) , 7 points in 2012 and Clinton won it by 20 last year
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Old 05-02-2017, 12:52 PM
 
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Fine with me. I love it when liberals pack themselves more and more into a few districts. It serves to dilute their vote when it comes to national elections and reduces their potential for picking up House districts. When Republicans want to win, all they need to do is show up. See Hillary's loss for your evidence.

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Old 05-02-2017, 07:57 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Fine with me. I love it when liberals pack themselves more and more into a few districts. It serves to dilute their vote when it comes to national elections and reduces their potential for picking up House districts. When Republicans want to win, all they need to do is show up. See Hillary's loss for your evidence.
You are actually wrong.

The South becoming more progressive or at least more urban hurts Republicans.

40% of the congressional delegation in Florida are Democrats.

that number is only 23% in North Carolina
14% in Alabama
22% in Tennessee
30% in Georgia
25% in Mississippi
14% in South Carolina
16% in Louisiana



Packing Democrats when urban areas starts to spread creates Georgia, Florida situation. we are just fine with that.
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Old 05-03-2017, 06:57 AM
 
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You are actually wrong.

The South becoming more progressive or at least more urban hurts Republicans.

40% of the congressional delegation in Florida are Democrats.

that number is only 23% in North Carolina
14% in Alabama
22% in Tennessee
30% in Georgia
25% in Mississippi
14% in South Carolina
16% in Louisiana



Packing Democrats when urban areas starts to spread creates Georgia, Florida situation. we are just fine with that.
And they are all concentrating in a handful of districts. Which goes to show that packing and cracking works. It is a long-held principle and a very effective one. When liberals crowd into a relative few districts, their power is diluted. It's not even debatable. The outcome is they have reliably liberal House districts but when it comes time for a national election, they don't have the power to offset any Republican surge.
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Old 05-03-2017, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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You obviously don't know Cubans that well. They are liberal on Social issues.
Perhaps you should ask one.
overall not really or I guess it depends on what you are talking about when you mention "social"issues? Social issues often end up costing the government and then us money. Cubans beleive in taking care of their own and not depending on the government for help.
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Old 05-03-2017, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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overall not really or I guess it depends on what you are talking about when you mention "social"issues? Social issues often end up costing the government and then us money. Cubans beleive in taking care of their own and not depending on the government for help.
Be that as it may, this is a heavily Cuban district that has swung heavily Democratic.

2000. - Bush +14
2004. Bush +8
2008 Obama +2 ( Obama +1 with current lines)
2012 Obama + 7
2016 Clinton +20


This is going to be very difficult for the GOP to hold.
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Old 05-03-2017, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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And they are all concentrating in a handful of districts. Which goes to show that packing and cracking works. It is a long-held principle and a very effective one. When liberals crowd into a relative few districts, their power is diluted. It's not even debatable. The outcome is they have reliably liberal House districts but when it comes time for a national election, they don't have the power to offset any Republican surge.
Im not sure where to start with this post.

First off, I think you missed my point. I was saying that once there are enough people in a city, You can no longer crack cities and Democrats as the area is too populous.

Second, we draw districts, so no, you cant say Democrats are concentrating themselves, Republicans are concentrating them and the sense of cracking Southern cities.


As for my argument, which again, it looks like you didnt understand, look at a picture of the FLorida congressional districts, and then look at another state.

The difference is that Florida has very large population centers, it would be very hard to crack all of those Democrats and that is why you end up with the state of Florida having 40% Democratic Representatives instead of less like other states.

Look at Arizona.



4 Democratic seats, 5 Republican ones. What you see around Phoenix is what should happen with congressional districts around a large city.

What you seem to say in your post is that you support creating districts that make no sense geographically like the districts in North Carolina


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...nal-districts/

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Old 05-03-2017, 10:33 PM
 
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Older Cubans tend to be heavily Republican. However, younger Cubans have trended heavily Democratic.

This particular district has one of the largest Cuban populations in the country. Bush won it easily both times, Obama won it by 1 point in 2008 (under the current lines) , 7 points in 2012 and Clinton won it by 20 last year
I was a Democrat in 2008. I campaigned for Obama. We were told to get out there and try to talk people into voting for him on the basis that if they didn't vote for him, bad things would happen, etc. I was there. I helped him win right there. It was one of the biggest mistakes in all my life.
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Old 05-04-2017, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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I was a Democrat in 2008. I campaigned for Obama. We were told to get out there and try to talk people into voting for him on the basis that if they didn't vote for him, bad things would happen, etc. I was there. I helped him win right there. It was one of the biggest mistakes in all my life.
Be that as it may that has nothing to do with the fact the district has heavily trended Democratic, even more so since 2008. It is very hard for a party to win a Congressional race open seat in a district their party's Presidential candidate lost by 20.
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