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Old 07-04-2017, 07:57 PM
 
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While some elections involving an incumbent POTUS were landslides (FDR, Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan), many of them were extremely close calls. For most of the close elections you could pick out one issue that may have determined the outcome.

Incumbent Presidents who lost a re-election vote
  1. John Adams 1,460 2 Served one full term. Lost reelection.
  2. John Quincy Adams 1,461 6 Served one full term. Lost reelection.
  3. Martin Van Buren 1,461 8 Served one full term. Lost reelection (twice).
  4. Benjamin Harrison 1,461 23 Served one full term. Lost reelection.
  5. William Howard Taft 1,461 27 Served one full term. Lost reelection.
  6. Herbert Hoover 1,461 31 Served one full term. Lost reelection.
  7. Gerald Ford 895 38 Served the remaining 2 years, 5 months, and 11 days of Nixon's second term. Lost election for a full term.
  8. Jimmy Carter 1,461 39 Served one full term. Lost reelection.
  9. George H. W. Bush 1,461 41 Served one full term. Lost reelection.

Incumbent Presidents who were not nominated for re-election or withdrew
  1. John Tyler 1,430 10 Served the remaining 3 years and 11 months of William H. Harrison's term. Lost nomination for a full term.
  2. James K. Polk 1,461 11 Served one full term. Did not seek a second term.
  3. Franklin Pierce 1,461 14 Served one full term. Lost renomination.
  4. James Buchanan 1,461 15 Served one full term. Did not seek a second term.
  5. Andrew Johnson 1,419 17 Served the remaining 3 years, 10 months, and 17 days of Lincoln's second term. Lost nomination for a full term.
  6. Rutherford B. Hayes 1,461 19 Served one full term. Did not seek a second term.
  7. Chester A. Arthur 1,262 21 Served the remaining 3 years, 5 months, and 13 days of Garfield's term. Lost nomination for a full term.
  8. Lyndon B. Johnson 1,886 36 Served the remaining 1 year, 1 month, and 29 days of Kennedy's term. Served a full term. Withdrew from the race for renomination.

One Incumbent President who failed to be nominated for re-election and four years later lost an election
  1. Millard Fillmore 969 13 Served the remaining 2 years, 7 months, and 23 days of Taylor's term. Lost nomination for a full term in 1852. Lost election in 1856.

Incumbent Presidents who were re-elected (days in office)
  1. George Washington 2,865
  2. Thomas Jefferson 2,922
  3. James Madison 2,922
  4. James Monroe 2,922
  5. Andrew Jackson 2,922
  6. Abraham Lincoln 1,503
  7. Ulysses S. Grant 2,922
  8. Grover Cleveland 2,922
  9. William McKinley 1,654
  10. Theodore Roosevelt 2,728
  11. Calvin Coolidge 2,041
  12. Woodrow Wilson 2,922
  13. Franklin D. Roosevelt 4,422
  14. Harry S. Truman 2,840
  15. Dwight D. Eisenhower 2,922
  16. Lyndon B. Johnson 1,886
  17. Richard Nixon 2,027
  18. Ronald Reagan 2,922
  19. Bill Clinton 2,922
  20. George W. Bush 2,922
  21. Barack Obama 2,922

Four Presidents died in office, and Donald Trump has not completed first term. Grover Cleveland was both POTUS #22 and #24. The statistics add up to 45 presidents.
And as such, it's really more accurate to say Cleveland was elected again, rather than re-elected.
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Old 07-05-2017, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Do you think Carter would have been re-elected if the hostages were released before the election? Or Would he still have lost the election.
He still would have lost for the gas lines. For those who weren't around back then you could only get gas based on the odd or even number on your license plate that day. You waited on line for hours in some places. Some people on line had to push their cars to the pump. Those images played on the nightly news every evening. People vote by what impacts them directly.
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Old 07-05-2017, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Huntsville, AL
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I liked Jimmy Carter. Good man. But lousy president. Not a disaster but just seemed out of his depth. I voted for him in '76. But couldn't pull the trigger in 1980. I didn't much care for Reagan at that time but he turned out to be a better president than I expected.
In 1980, I was a first time voter of a Presidential election... I voted for Reagan. I'd vote for him today if he were alive and running.
When you wrote, '... didn't much care for Reagan at that time'... your feelings weren't alone. Yes, he got elected, but I can remember how a lot of folks didn't care for him then... That was then. Today? Today even the LEFT look at Ronald Reagan as a model politician. He took the buckets (plural, not singular) of crap dealt to him by Carter and turned it into lemonade... Took a suffering economy and raised it from the dead and had positive growth after just 3 years, thanks to a House and Senate that worked AS A TEAM instead of the going after the others throat we have today...
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Old 07-05-2017, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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He still would have lost for the gas lines. For those who weren't around back then you could only get gas based on the odd or even number on your license plate that day. You waited on line for hours in some places. Some people on line had to push their cars to the pump. Those images played on the nightly news every evening. People vote by what impacts them directly.
It wasn't just the gas lines or the failure to free the hostages.
During the Carter administration, interest rates rose to over 20% and stayed there. The high interest throttled the economy and partly caused a short-term recession.

The other great factor in that recession was lack of jobs. Just then, there were thousands of vets who were being discharged, and the high interest stopped job growth, while at the same time, the military was undergoing severe funding cuts. So many of the vets who planned to weather out the recession by re-enlisting ended up on the streets with no job and no prospects for finding one.

Carter wasn't exactly an optimistic leader. He delivered some speeches that were about biting the bullet and accepting hard times, and that went over like a lead balloon to the citizens, who were finally emerging from a very long war no one wanted any more, and wanted to hear good news, not such fatalism.

The Ayatollah Kohmeini also played Carter like a cheap fiddle, dangling the American Embassy hostages out to the world as a symbol of American failure, and the voters hated that. Worse, every attempt to go get them failed completely, which made Carter look continually worse as the days went by.

Carter's alcoholic younger brother was no help to him, either. The guy was a notorious drunk, and became a national joke. A big brewery even canned Billy Beer to cash in on the joke.

Jimmy Carter could have prevented some of that, and though he is a very intelligent guy, I think his greatest failure was is provincialism. Carter was completely outside the Capitol's loop when he was elected, and he surrounded himself with his good ol' boys from Georgia, who were all smart politicos- in Georgia.
But none of them had any clout in the Capitol, and none listened to the insiders who knew how to get stuff done in D.C.

Carter himself wasn't forceful enough to press Congress and get things accomplished by force of his will and personality. The voters wanted a President who was up-front, loud and proud, and they found all that in Reagan.

Despite all that, Carter led most of the way through the1980 election. If he had been able to crack the stubborn interest rates, I think he might have been re-elected. Or if the rescue attempt had succeeded; that turned into a big crisis that left us all very discouraged at a time when everyone wanted some little taste of a victory somewhere.
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Old 07-06-2017, 10:30 AM
 
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I heard this was a big decision maker for 1980s, but Reagan still would have probably won. The last debate sealed the deal for Reagan for many, from what I heard.
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Old 07-07-2017, 01:55 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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I heard this was a big decision maker for 1980s, but Reagan still would have probably won. The last debate sealed the deal for Reagan for many, from what I heard.
Yes the last debate was a good one for him. No one can question his ability to sell himself. This is one of the similarities between him and Trump even though many don't want to hear that. Oh there were a lot of differences as well but they both had or have the ability to get people excited and get them listening.
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