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Old 05-06-2018, 08:06 AM
 
Location: Florida & Cebu, Philippines
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I'm still not sure why that comment supposedly hurt Clinton but Trump's endless demeaning comments about millions of other people were a net positive? All this really suggests is that Democrats don't like comments like that, but Republicans do. Or that Republicans get offended far more easily.
Trump insults individuals, Hillary insulted a large portion of Americans, I believe those she insulted were many Independents, Republicans and even some Democrats who might have voted for her but either stayed home or voted Trump and in part it was because of her insult.

As for who gets insulted easily, all one has to do is look at the tv and read the news to see it is dems who need their safe spaces, cry and cried like babies and acted insane when Hillary lost and to this day many keep acting that way, none of that happened from most others when Obama won.
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Old 05-06-2018, 08:11 AM
 
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George Bush did not threaten the very institutions that govern the nation.
I have no idea what you are ranting about but I will disagree.

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He was a horrid president to be sure, but on policy. I would love to get back to having presidents I disagreed with on policy rather than wondering what will be left of America when they're finished like I do with Trump, your obvious man crush.
I supported Sanders and Stein. Not everything is about Trump. Get passed it.
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Old 05-06-2018, 05:10 PM
 
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you know the righties would be screaming to eliminate the EC if that favored them, of course. Any claims that this is some love of the funding fathers' plan is bull, it's just that they are thrilled that empty land gets to control elections because the empty land happens to be in red states. They are perfectly fine with voters in Wyoming having 4 times the electoral power of voters in California because they happen to be GOP voters. They can't stand the idea of true representation via the popular vote because they are outnumbered.
no us conservatives have consistently supported the EC. mostly because we dont want the five most populous and liberal states deciding who the president is going to be.

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If only there was a process to change things in the Constitution when the realities of 200 odd years of time passing changes things.

But nope, we are stuck with slavery and black people counting as 3/5 of a person and no votes for women....
you dont read the constitution much do you?

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Article V (Article 5 - Mode of Amendment)

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.
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Old 05-06-2018, 07:43 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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no us conservatives have consistently supported the EC. mostly because we dont want the five most populous and liberal states deciding who the president is going to be.



you dont read the constitution much do you?
You don't understand sarcasm much do you?

And nothing you've said convinces me that conservatives would not be climbing all over themselves to change the EC if it gave them an advantage.
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Old 05-06-2018, 10:10 PM
 
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it's so simple, one person, one vote, what are you scared of???
The idea that Hillary Clinton would be President because California thought it was a good idea.
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Old 05-07-2018, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Upstate NY
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You don't understand sarcasm much do you?

And nothing you've said convinces me that conservatives would not be climbing all over themselves to change the EC if it gave them an advantage.


Bullbleep.

Conservatives are strict constructionists when it comes to the constitution, so you can chuck the lame and self-serving notion that we'd be "climbing all over [our]selves" to change it--which is what Dems want to do, BTW.
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Old 05-07-2018, 06:35 PM
 
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Bullbleep.

Conservatives are strict constructionists when it comes to the constitution, so you can chuck the lame and self-serving notion that we'd be "climbing all over [our]selves" to change it--which is what Dems want to do, BTW.
B.S. Bush argued he could ignore due process and would have if not for the courts. These "strict constructionists" said little if anything.

No strict constructionist could support anyone that supports the Patriot Act.
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Old 05-07-2018, 08:45 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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Bullbleep.

Conservatives are strict constructionists when it comes to the constitution, so you can chuck the lame and self-serving notion that we'd be "climbing all over [our]selves" to change it--which is what Dems want to do, BTW.
politically, but not legally.

This is a good explanation of the difference

https://www.vox.com/conversations/20...onstructionism
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Old 05-09-2018, 09:32 PM
 
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Michael Moore is an idiot for saying that. He should know you don't just get rid of the EC NOW. It's a long process which could take many years and in reality it will never happen because states with fewer populations will never give more power to mega states like CA and NY. It ain't happening and all the wishing in the world isn't going to help.
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Old 05-09-2018, 09:50 PM
 
Location: 130 Miles E of Sacramento
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Bingo.


The electoral college isn't going anywhere, as 2/3 of the states would need to agree to the change.
Not happening.
The only states that would vote to remove the EC are the states which Hillary won
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