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Old 05-10-2018, 01:28 PM
 
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Sanders would have lost even more badly than he lost to Hillary Clinton. Stop living in fantasyland. He would have faced a negative campaign for the first time, and there are far too many Americans who would never vote for someone who would be called a socialist, with footage of him praising Castro, saying breadlines and food rationing was a good thing, honeymooning in the USSR and more. Those are all real things that would be played over and over in ads.
So, are you saying that if Sanders had won, you would have voted for Trump?

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And whether you want to call someone a "corporate Democrat" - when you attack an incumbent, you are making it easier for a Republican to win. Period.
So be it. See, I don't care. They are the same to me.

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So yes, Bernie and "Our Revolution" are actively working to help stop a potential Democratic takeover of Congress, and potentially lead the way to Trump's reelection. Because he and his supporters would rather whine about not achieving their vision of perfection and pretend that what's happening in this country right now is the same as what would have happened in a Hillary Clinton administration. I know a large number of people of color and women and immigrants who can explain to you exactly how wrong that idea is.
We were told to elect Obama as he would end the wars and prosecute those who broke our financial laws...........didn't happen. Yes, the difference in Trump and Hillary are negligible.
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Old 05-10-2018, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Seattle, WA
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Well, I'd say Bernie Sanders is doing a lot more to hurt the Democrats' chances of moving forward, but presumably you will disagree. Hillary isn't actively working against incumbent Democrats though.
"I lost cause of Comey."
"I lost cause of Russia."
"I lost cause of white men and women."
"I lost cause of the emails."
"I lost cause of Benghazi."

I don't care for Bernie, but don't make it seem like Hillary isn't making up excuses as to why she lost.
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Old 01-06-2019, 07:55 AM
 
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If the electoral college ends, it's the end of our Democracy & every state should be allowed to secede if they wish. No state would have joined the union if their voices were not going to be heard & make no mistake, that's exactly what this is. The left trying to disenfranchise voters who don't live in New York, California, Illinois, Florida & Texas.
Their voices would still be heard. They just wouldn't get to run everything.
The Senate and the considerable power wielded by state governments would serve to protect the interests of the smaller states.
Right now the voters in our largest states and our more populous areas are being disenfranchised. Their vote counts for less...due both to the EC and excessive gerrymandering in the House.
Consider this....until this week the party that has only managed to muster a majority in the national popular vote in a Presidential election once in the past thirty years (since 1988), and which got outvoted by several million votes in the most recent Presidential election, controlled the White House, both houses of Congress and the Supreme Court. Every single organ of the federal government. The majority party in the hearts and minds of the people controlled nothing. And the said minority party in the hearts and minds of the American people was using that power to push a hardcore agenda not embraced by the majority of Americans. Even the House...which is supposed to reflect the will of the people, is heavily skewed to tthe right moreso than would otherwise be the case due to excessive gerrymandering.
I see the need to protect the intetests of the smaller states and rural areas...but c'mon. Protecting their interests shouldn't mean they get to absolutely run every organ of the federal government.
And I am deeply appalled by the view of many on the right who poo poo the will of the people because a large percentage of Americans...among the most mobile people in history...freely choose to live in a relatively small number of states...which, btw account for the vast majority of our creativity, technological innovation, wealth generation, and progressive social policies. They also overwhelmingly tend to be the donor regions as far as the payment of federal taxes is concerned, while many of the poorer states that take far more than they pay out tend to be GOP run states.

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Old 01-06-2019, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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House of Representatives: it's majority rule there, everything is proportioned by population

Senate: 2 from every state. Not proportioned by population

The system is fair.

If you want to eliminate the electoral college you might as well eliminate the senate as well and only have 1 legislative body.

How about we just tear everything up that has worked for 240 years and go to MOB RULE while we are at it?
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Old 01-06-2019, 10:47 AM
 
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If the electoral college ends, it's the end of our Democracy & every state should be allowed to secede if they wish. No state would have joined the union if their voices were not going to be heard & make no mistake, that's exactly what this is. The left trying to disenfranchise voters who don't live in New York, California, Illinois, Florida & Texas.
The current system is inherently designed for the electoral college. The founding fathers' model was the English parliament, where the prime minister (head of government) is elected by the other members of the body - typically that requires a comprise and consensus.
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Old 01-06-2019, 11:43 AM
 
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This was before the midterms and the Dems winning the House, ask him what he thinks now that Trumps numbers look bad in states he won in 2016. I won't hold my breath, nothing will surprise me anymore but I don't see thing looking good for Trump is he survives not being impeached before then..
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Old 01-06-2019, 12:22 PM
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Location: Columbia, SC
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Michael Moore predicts Trump to win electoral vote in 2020. Says we need to get rid of electoral college now
So now y'all care what Michael Moore says? Cute. LOL Trump's not winning the EC in 2020. And I don't believe we should eliminate it either.
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Old 01-06-2019, 01:10 PM
 
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So now y'all care what Michael Moore says? Cute. LOL Trump's not winning the EC in 2020. And I don't believe we should eliminate it either.





Trump can definitely win it. Nice to see Democrats are overconfident again though
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Old 01-08-2019, 01:39 PM
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Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Anyone who truly believes they can predict what will happen 22 months from now is dumb. We don't even have a clue of who the opponent will be.
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Old 01-09-2019, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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They should reform the Electoral College so votes are awarded proportionally. This prevent it from just being a popular vote, but also gets rid of the idiotic "winner take all" system that we have, which is decidedly undemocratic. This would also allow third parties a bit of attention, as I could see them winning a district or two, which could potentially lead to escalation in popularity.

Which means there will be no reform....
I agree, but how the State selects it electors is up to the State not the Federal Government. I do believe that the electors should be chosen based on district voting and not a winner take all.

The NPV movement has the potential the disenfranchise voters of a State that has agreed to join this movement. For example, if the State votes for candidate X and candidate Y won the popular vote then all of the votes for candidate X means nothing. This is democracy at work, the minority will bend a knee to the majority.
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