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Old 09-15-2017, 11:39 AM
 
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Those states did pass those laws. What's missed here, is that the law doesn't take effect until all the other states do it too.

So here's the question. Would the Democrats ever allow California go to proportional apportionment? Answer: NO.
According to the rule, if enough states pass it and have 270 electoral votes between them then it is triggered. California is one of the states that has agreed to it. So if enough states sign on to reach 270 then they have to vote for the national popular vote winner even if Texas or Utah does not agree to it ever.

Imagine a scenario where the republicans have a narrow popular vote plurality of 100K over the democratic nominee but the democratic nominee is leading in the electoral votes under the current rules now in place. Will California agree to the new rule and make the republican the winner by giving all the EC voters to him/her, even though they are giving away the electoral votes that would have made the democratic nominee the POTUS and that person was the popular vote winner in that state. That will be tough decision for California to make and will bring a lawsuit by the democratic nominee against California.
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Old 09-15-2017, 11:45 AM
 
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Actually had to rep this even though I normally disagree with you. I have always said that in each state, it should be done by district, and for the two "Senate" electoral votes, if one party has more districts, they get both votes, while if the two parties tie that state, they each get one.

Example, say here in AZ where we currently have 9 congressional districts, if the R's won 5 districts and the D's won 4, the R's would get both "Senate" votes, making AZ's result 7-4 rather than 11-0
For POTUS I have no problem with using districts or popular vote of that state as the basis for proportional representation. That way the republicans in California and the democrats in Texas may have a say in the election. There won't be swing states and every state and every person might eventually have some say in the election. Much better than a national popular vote winner where only a few populous states count.

Might make for a nail biter finish
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Old 05-04-2018, 06:01 AM
 
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If the electoral college ends, it's the end of our Democracy & every state should be allowed to secede if they wish. No state would have joined the union if their voices were not going to be heard & make no mistake, that's exactly what this is. The left trying to disenfranchise voters who don't live in New York, California, Illinois, Florida & Texas.
You are correct! The other states would have no say, and Democrats would ALWAYS rule our country.
Third-world, here we come!! Our increasing socialism will evolve into Communism. Think about it.
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Old 05-04-2018, 06:07 AM
 
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I'm scared of this country turning into California. That's an easy answer.
Even though some Californians seem to be coming to their senses, it may be TOO late to save their state.
It used to be a decent place to visit. No longer...
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Old 05-04-2018, 06:11 AM
 
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He's just trying to wake up Democrats. It's the Republicans who better wake up---and turn out the votes!!
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Old 05-04-2018, 06:46 AM
 
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was he crying when Obama won both times?


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Old 05-04-2018, 06:49 AM
 
Location: Plymouth Meeting, PA.
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exactly. This is why there is a movement for the majority of California to secede from the areas of LA and Sa fran.


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Why would Wyoming agree to this? Their citizens would have no voice in the governing of our country. They would be slaves for all intents and purposes, to the five ruling states.
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Old 05-04-2018, 06:53 AM
 
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The only way Trump wins in 2020 is if the (D)'s run another bought and paid for corrupt candidate. That is certainly a possibility and not a good excuse to change what works.
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Old 05-04-2018, 08:04 AM
 
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great idea when there were 13 colonies, not so much today. The founding fathers could never have envisioned the westward expansion and territory gains.

why should one person in Wyoming have the same power it takes 137,000 people in Ohio?
Not sure where you get your numbers, laughable as they are, but for Wyoming voters to have the same voting power as 137,000 in Ohio, he population of Ohio would need to be 26.4 billion people, which is approximately 4x more than the population of the entire planet.

The actual ratio is ~1:3, where one voter in Wyoming (580k people, 3 electoral votes) has as much vote power as 3 voters in Ohio (11.7 million people, 18 electoral votes).

The other thing all you anti-EC people don't understand is that each state has total control over how they apportion their EC votes. That almost all of them do winner-take-all is simply tradition, but nothing set in stone, just ask Maine and Nebraska. Any state can go to proportional EC vote allotment anytime they freaking please according to their own state laws/regs. Federal government has exactly nothing to do with how each state does EC voting.

The other thing that makes the EC less properly representative, per the 1:3 Wyoming :Ohio example, is the House of Representatives being far smaller than it should be based on huge increase in population since te last expansion of the House. If you made the House of Reps equally representational and said every 600k population adds a rep, then Wyoming stays at 1 rep, but Ohio gets apportioned 3-4 more reps, California gets 6-7 more, etc. And if the states all decided to go WTA for the two senate votes and then proportional according to vote totals per congressional district, then you'd see a much more representational version of the Electoral College. Again though, this is not up to the fed.gov, but the states themselves.
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Old 05-04-2018, 08:22 AM
 
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Why would Wyoming agree to this? Their citizens would have no voice in the governing of our country. They would be slaves for all intents and purposes, to the five ruling states.
Why should any citizens of any state have 4X the voting power of citizens of other states?
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