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I think the real question is should the Dems bother going after the middle. Clinton lost as many votes from the left as the right. The key to Trumps win wasn't his Midwest performance (which was no better than Romneys) -it was that he held the right and Hillary bled votes on the left. Obama strategy in 2012 mirrored Bush strategy in 2004- amp up your base and just go for respectable numbers in the middle.
I wonder if the next Dem doesn't follow the same path. For the last 15 years the path to political success has not been the middle. I once saw a Republican strategist explain the only thing standing in the middle of the road will get you is run over.
So I'm not sure a ticket with Harris is that bad of an idea. If nothing else driving up the AA vote in Philly, Pittsburg, Milwaukee and Detriot would have turned this most recent election. Pulling in larger numbers of young people would also help the D solidify.
Yes, that would show Trump . . . and the underemployed, underpaid blue collar workers, that two women in designer heels, lifetime gym membership bodies, and fashion ensembles that would fill a double-wide care about them.
Not even sure baristas with student loan debts equating to a nice house would vote for them.
I think the real question is should the Dems bother going after the middle. Clinton lost as many votes from the left as the right. The key to Trumps win wasn't his Midwest performance (which was no better than Romneys) -it was that he held the right and Hillary bled votes on the left. Obama strategy in 2012 mirrored Bush strategy in 2004- amp up your base and just go for respectable numbers in the middle.
I wonder if the next Dem doesn't follow the same path. For the last 15 years the path to political success has not been the middle. I once saw a Republican strategist explain the only thing standing in the middle of the road will get you is run over.
So I'm not sure a ticket with Harris is that bad of an idea. If nothing else driving up the AA vote in Philly, Pittsburg, Milwaukee and Detriot would have turned this most recent election. Pulling in larger numbers of young people would also help the D solidify.
The Democrats need to figure out how to get working class on their side. This is not news. This means limited immigration and even more limited legalization of illegal immigrants, tough foreign trade policies, ending military engagements that cost money that could be spent on job creation, revitalization of the industrial base, increasing pensions.
Look at Sanders performance, look at Trump, look at Brexit, look at AfD in Germany, look at the Five Star Movement in Italy (led by a comic), look at Catalonian Independence - all at least in part driven by the feelings/reality of the middle class losing ground relative to their parents.
The Democrats need to figure out how to get working class on their side. This is not news. This means limited immigration and even more limited legalization of illegal immigrants, tough foreign trade policies, ending military engagements that cost money that could be spent on job creation, revitalization of the industrial base, increasing pensions.
Look at Sanders performance, look at Trump, look at Brexit, look at AfD in Germany, look at the Five Star Movement in Italy (led by a comic), look at Catalonian Independence - all at least in part driven by the feelings/reality of the middle class losing ground relative to their parents.
But all of the bolded movements are funded by Russia and China as part of their long-range plan to destabilize the west in order to pave the way for an invasion and conquest of the western world by Russia and China.
The Democrats need to figure out how to get working class on their side. This is not news.
Hillary got a lower percentage than Obama (that much is obvious), but I didn't realize on a state by state basis, she exceeded his percentage in only 5 states.
-2.88% U.S. Total
-11.46% North Dakota
-10.25% Iowa
-9.89% Vermont
-9.11% West Virginia
-8.44% Maine (at-lg)
-8.33% Hawaii
-8.29% Rhode Island
-8.13% South Dakota
-7.11% Ohio
-6.94% Michigan
-6.38% Wisconsin
-6.24% Missouri
-6.21% Minnesota
-6.19% Wyoming
-6.02% Indiana
-5.95% Montana
-5.52% Delaware
-5.13% Idaho
-5.12% Kentucky
-5.00% New Hampshire
-4.73% New Mexico
-4.51% Pennsylvania
-4.44% Nevada
-4.36% Tennessee
-4.34% New York
-4.33% Nebraska (at-lg)
-4.30% Oklahoma
-4.26% Alaska
-4.17% Oregon
-4.00% Alabama
-3.68% Mississippi
-3.62% Washington
-3.49% Connecticut
-3.42% South Carolina
-3.39% New Jersey
-3.33% Colorado
-3.23% Arkansas
-2.19% Florida
-2.18% North Carolina
-2.13% Louisiana
-1.94% Kansas
-1.77% Illinois
-1.64% Maryland
-1.43% Virginia
-0.64% Massachusetts
-0.43% District of Columbia
+0.16% Georgia
+0.54% Arizona
+1.49% California
+1.86% Texas
+2.71% Utah
Trump got lower percentage than Romney in half the states, and overall nationwide percentage was also lower
-1.11% U.S. Total
-27.25% Utah
-5.50% California
-5.27% Idaho
-4.98% Arizona
-4.94% Texas
-4.70% Massachusetts
-4.46% Washington
-3.52% Alaska
-3.21% District of Columbia
-3.06% Kansas
-3.06% Oregon
-2.88% Colorado
-2.87% Virginia
-2.80% New Mexico
-2.53% Georgia
-1.99% Maryland
-1.97% Illinois
-1.45% Oklahoma
-1.24% Wyoming
-1.05% Nebraska
-0.70% Vermont
-0.56% North Carolina
-0.18% Nevada
-0.11% Florida
-0.04% Minnesota
0.00% Arkansas
0.20% Connecticut
0.21% New Hampshire
0.31% Louisiana
0.38% South Carolina
0.41% New Jersey
0.82% Montana
1.24% Tennessee
1.33% Wisconsin
1.35% New York
1.53% Alabama
1.59% Pennsylvania
1.74% Delaware
2.03% Kentucky
2.19% Hawaii
2.65% Mississippi
2.69% Indiana
2.79% Michigan
3.01% Missouri
3.64% South Dakota
3.66% Rhode Island
3.89% Maine
4.00% Ohio
4.64% North Dakota
4.97% Iowa
6.20% West Virginia
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Hillary got a lower percentage than Obama (that much is obvious), but I didn't realize on a state by state basis, she exceeded his percentage in only 5 states.
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So if the election can be summarized in moronically simple terms, Hillary lost the key states by more than Donald won it.
It isnt that simply because of the increase in 3rd party voting.
It isnt that simply because of the increase in 3rd party voting.
There is absolutely no evidence of that what so ever
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