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Old 03-15-2008, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Washington state
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I thought since we were examining Obama and judging him guilty by association, we should take a look at Hillary's religious associations, replete with Republicans and dictators.

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Hillary's Prayer: Hillary Clinton's Religion and Politics

.When Clinton first came to Washington in 1993, one of her first steps was to join a Bible study group. For the next eight years, she regularly met with a Christian "cell" whose members included Susan Baker, wife of Bush consigliere James Baker; Joanne Kemp, wife of conservative icon Jack Kemp; Eileen Bakke, wife of Dennis Bakke, a leader in the anti-union Christian management movement; and Grace Nelson, the wife of Senator Bill Nelson, a conservative Florida Democrat.

Clinton declined our requests for an interview about her faith, but in Living History, she describes her first encounter with Fellowship leader Doug Coe at a 1993 lunch with her prayer cell at the Cedars, the Fellowship's majestic estate on the Potomac. Coe, she writes, "is a unique presence in Washington: a genuinely loving spiritual mentor and guide to anyone, regardless of party or faith, who wants to deepen his or her relationship with God."

Coe's friends include former Attorney General John ********, Reaganite Edwin Meese III, and ultraconservative Rep. Joe Pitts (R-Pa.). Under Coe's guidance, Meese has hosted weekly prayer breakfasts for politicians, businesspeople, and diplomats, and Pitts rose from obscurity to head the House Values Action Team, an off-the-record network of religious right groups and members of Congress created by Tom DeLay. The corresponding Senate Values Action Team is guided by another Coe protégé, Brownback, who also claims to have recruited King Abdullah of Jordan into a regular study of Jesus' teachings.

The Fellowship's long-term goal is "a leadership led by God—leaders of all levels of society who direct projects as they are led by the spirit." According to the Fellowship's archives, the spirit has in the past led its members in Congress to increase U.S. support for the Duvalier regime in Haiti and the Park dictatorship in South Korea. The Fellowship's God-led men have also included General Suharto of Indonesia; Honduran general and death squad organizer Gustavo Alvarez Martinez; a Deutsche Bank official disgraced by financial ties to Hitler; and dictator Siad Barre of Somalia, plus a list of other generals and dictators. Clinton, says Schenck, has become a regular visitor to Coe's Arlington, Virginia, headquarters, a former convent where Coe provides members of Congress with sex-segregated housing and spiritual guidance

Hillary's Prayer: Hillary Clinton's Religion and Politics

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Old 03-15-2008, 10:17 AM
 
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Not that this matters at all .. for either Obama or Clinton -- but the news is jumping on Pastor Wright because up until 1 month ago he ran the church Obama goes to.

So in that spirit - this says Clinton prayed with these people for 8 years (1993 - 2000)

Where's she been praying for the last 7 years and 11 months?

That brings us to the timepoint that is under scrutiny for Obama.

And lets be serious - Wright is a apparently a nut. Who cares? I am not an Obama supporter at the moment, but neither am I going to fault a man because his Pastor went off the deep end.

This has got to end soon. Never have I wanted an election to end just to end the agonizing mud slinging of the candidate's supporters. Not even the candidates themselves! Ugh!
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Old 03-15-2008, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Washington state
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Here's what she's been doing the last seven years. Still a member of the fellowship. She's just not my kind of Democrat.

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These days, Clinton has graduated from the political wives' group into what may be Coe's most elite cell, the weekly Senate Prayer Breakfast. Though weighted Republican, the breakfast—regularly attended by about 40 members—is a bipartisan opportunity for politicians to burnish their reputations, giving Clinton the chance to profess her faith with men such as Brownback as well as the twin terrors of Oklahoma, James Inhofe and Tom Coburn, and, until recently, former Senator George Allen (R-Va.). Democrats in the group include Arkansas Senator Mark Pryor, who told us that the separation of church and state has gone too far; Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) is also a regular.



Unlikely partnerships have become a Clinton trademark. Some are symbolic, such as her support for a ban on flag burning with Senator Bob Bennett (R-Utah) and funding for research on the dangers of video games with Brownback and Santorum.



Clinton has championed federal funding of faith-based social services, which she embraced years before George W. Bush did; Marci Hamilton, author of God vs. the Gavel, says that the Clintons' approach to faith-based initiatives "set the stage for Bush." Clinton has also long supported the Defense of Marriage Act, a measure that has become a purity test for any candidate wishing to avoid war with the Christian right.
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Old 03-15-2008, 10:49 AM
 
Location: DFW area
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Here's what she's been doing the last seven years. Still a member of the fellowship. She's just not my kind of Democrat.
So what if she was part of a prayer group?
For those of you who are anti-God and hate anything remotely mentioned of Christianity, you need to do some serious soul-searching. It's not like the people mentioned above are terrorists? Come on people, use some discerment and wisdom!
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Old 03-15-2008, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Washington state
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So what if she was part of a prayer group?
For those of you who are anti-God and hate anything remotely mentioned of Christianity, you need to do some serious soul-searching. It's not like the people mentioned above are terrorists? Come on people, use some discerment and wisdom!
No they're not terrorists they just support dictators:
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According to the Fellowship's archives, the spirit has in the past led its members in Congress to increase U.S. support for the Duvalier regime in Haiti and the Park dictatorship in South Korea. The Fellowship's God-led men have also included General Suharto of Indonesia; Honduran general and death squad organizer Gustavo Alvarez Martinez; a Deutsche Bank official disgraced by financial ties to Hitler; and dictator Siad Barre of Somalia, plus a list of other generals and dictators
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