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03-17-2008, 06:04 PM
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Florida to Dean- no New Election
Fla. Democrats won't redo primary - Decision '08 - MSNBC.com
OK, I get this. I think it's the right move. They had a fair & impartial election and Dean, rightly claiming the vote was too early, has kicked Florida Democrats to the curb.
I think Dean is wrong on this one. It was a republican governor who made this decision, not any state democrats. It was an impartial election and all the candidates were named. I think they need to bend the rules a bit here and just let the votes count. There are a few half-baked options here. But if Dean disenfrachises all these Florida democrats his job is gone. He has to come up with a plan to save face for all involved. I'm surprised he hadn't done so already.
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03-17-2008, 06:11 PM
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Location: Albemarle, NC
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Originally Posted by BLAZER PROPHET
Fla. Democrats won't redo primary - Decision '08 - MSNBC.com
OK, I get this. I think it's the right move. They had a fair & impartial election and Dean, rightly claiming the vote was too early, has kicked Florida Democrats to the curb.
I think Dean is wrong on this one. It was a republican governor who made this decision, not any state democrats. It was an impartial election and all the candidates were named. I think they need to bend the rules a bit here and just let the votes count. There are a few half-baked options here. But if Dean disenfrachises all these Florida democrats his job is gone. He has to come up with a plan to save face for all involved. I'm surprised he hadn't done so already.
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Rules are rules. The Democrats will have to win VA in November.
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03-17-2008, 08:44 PM
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I understand that "rules are rules", but I also believe there's the 'letter of the law' and the 'spitit of the law'. To me, Dean has an obligation to all democrats to see to it votes cast fair & square count. By alienating millions of Floridian democrats he may well see to it that state looks away from democrats in the general election.
I think he's a fool on this one.
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03-17-2008, 08:50 PM
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Location: Albemarle, NC
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Originally Posted by BLAZER PROPHET
I understand that "rules are rules", but I also believe there's the 'letter of the law' and the 'spitit of the law'. To me, Dean has an obligation to all democrats to see to it votes cast fair & square count. By alienating millions of Floridian democrats he may well see to it that state looks away from democrats in the general election.
I think he's a fool on this one.
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The top two democrats have been talking nonstop about change. Allowing a do-over would be something the GOP would consider. It's the old way of doing things, changing the rules when they don't suit you. Dean got this right. It is going to be about change. You follow the rules or you're out.
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03-17-2008, 08:51 PM
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You don't see any room for compromise?
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03-17-2008, 09:20 PM
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Location: Albemarle, NC
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You don't see any room for compromise?
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If I were Dean, I'd give both candidates equal delegates at the convention. No one wins or loses anything.
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03-17-2008, 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by paperhouse
If I were Dean, I'd give both candidates equal delegates at the convention. No one wins or loses anything.
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OK, that's a compromise.
Then the next question is, would Hillary accept that given that she won the vote there?
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03-17-2008, 10:07 PM
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I cant believe the Democratic National Committee would have even came up with a punishment on the votes of the people like this. What were they thinking? Taking this in consideration... I was most surprise
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03-17-2008, 10:52 PM
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Location: Bay Area, CA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BLAZER PROPHET
Fla. Democrats won't redo primary - Decision '08 - MSNBC.com
OK, I get this. I think it's the right move. They had a fair & impartial election and Dean, rightly claiming the vote was too early, has kicked Florida Democrats to the curb.
I think Dean is wrong on this one. It was a republican governor who made this decision, not any state democrats. It was an impartial election and all the candidates were named. I think they need to bend the rules a bit here and just let the votes count. There are a few half-baked options here. But if Dean disenfrachises all these Florida democrats his job is gone. He has to come up with a plan to save face for all involved. I'm surprised he hadn't done so already.
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There were some 200,000+ voters who voted on a tax referendum who didn't vote for the primary because they thought it didn't count. This means the results weren't correct. I say scrap Florida. They broke the rules and it is right to exclude them. The country is better off.
Maybe next time, they will learn to follow the rules and learn how to collect and count votes correctly. This country can always count on Florida to vote for the candidate who takes the country backwards.
Last edited by LexusNexus; 03-17-2008 at 11:47 PM..
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03-17-2008, 11:52 PM
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Location: Austin, TX
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Originally Posted by BLAZER PROPHET
OK, that's a compromise.
Then the next question is, would Hillary accept that given that she won the vote there?
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Would it matter if she didn't? Is she on the rules committee or something? She knew the rules, the question is whether she will respect them or not.
Dean is right--
If you say you are going to punish someone if they break the rules, and they break them anyway... if you don't punish them, there ARE NO RULES.
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