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Old 03-18-2008, 09:40 AM
 
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I don't expect everyone on here to agree with this speech, however, I would hope that those vocal few on here who have turned Barack Obama into this distorted, bastardized version of the man, in order to more easily tune him out, will take a second to read through this speech in its entirety.

This epitomizes why I have the respect for Obama that I do. He does not shy away from criticism, or criticizing groups. But he examines everyone's points of view in forming his views. He isn't a polemic like Wright, but he also will not allow the polemics to disown the man due to a 15 second clip of Wright that so many of you feel qualify you as expert in his persona to condemn the man completely.

This is the real Barack Obama.

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Old 03-18-2008, 09:56 AM
 
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Wright is a filthy mouthed, anti-American racist whose own words convict him. The entirity of several of Wright's profanity laced sermons are available online (not just "soundbites" as the OP said)

Barick said nothing in his speech condeming or refuting the vile, vicious anti Americanism of his racist former pastor and friend.

In the 20 or so years that Barick Obama has been associated with and a member of Jerimiah Wright's congregation he listened many times to Wright's vulgarity laced racist sermons. What's even worse is that Barick Obama has shown poor judgement by allowing his children to hear this filth.

Lets send Barick Obama a strong message by voting against him at the polls. It doesn't matter who you vote for. Just vote against Barick and his filthy mouthed friend and spiritual advisor.
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Old 03-18-2008, 10:04 AM
 
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^^ wright is not on the ballot.
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Old 03-18-2008, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Wright is a filthy mouthed, anti-American racist whose own words convict him. The entirity of several of Wright's profanity laced sermons are available online (not just "soundbites" as the OP said)

Barick said nothing in his speech condeming or refuting the vile, vicious anti Americanism of his racist former pastor and friend.
You did not read the speech then. Again, I can only ask that those who disagree with Obama, disagree with the real Barack Obama, and not the cartoon strawman that you all have created. From his speech, that you did not bother to listen to or read before casting more judgements. However, there is more to the speech than the snippet I'm including. Read the rest of it.

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On the other end, we've heard my former pastor, Reverend Jeremiah Wright, use incendiary language to express views that have the potential not only to widen the racial divide, but views that denigrate both the greatness and the goodness of our nation; that rightly offend white and black alike.


I have already condemned, in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely - just as I'm sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests, or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed.


But the remarks that have caused this recent firestorm weren't simply controversial. They weren't simply a religious leader's effort to speak out against perceived injustice. Instead, they expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country - a view that sees white racism as endemic, and that elevates what is wrong with America above all that we know is right with America; a view that sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam.


As such, Reverend Wright's comments were not only wrong but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity; racially charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems - two wars, a terrorist threat, a falling economy, a chronic health care crisis and potentially devastating climate change; problems that are neither black or white or Latino or Asian, but rather problems that confront us all.


Given my background, my politics, and my professed values and ideals, there will no doubt be those for whom my statements of condemnation are not enough. Why associate myself with Reverend Wright in the first place, they may ask? Why not join another church? And I confess that if all that I knew of Reverend Wright were the snippets of those sermons that have run in an endless loop on the television and You Tube, or if Trinity United Church of Christ conformed to the caricatures being peddled by some commentators, there is no doubt that I would react in much the same way


But the truth is, that isn't all that I know of the man. The man I met more than twenty years ago is a man who helped introduce me to my Christian faith, a man who spoke to me about our obligations to love one another; to care for the sick and lift up the poor. He is a man who served his country as a U.S. Marine; who has studied and lectured at some of the finest universities and seminaries in the country, and who for over thirty years led a church that serves the community by doing God's work here on Earth - by housing the homeless, ministering to the needy, providing day care services and scholarships and prison ministries, and reaching out to those suffering from HIV/AIDS.
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Old 03-18-2008, 10:18 AM
 
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The problem is that Obama contradicts himself repeatedly. He at first said he had never been in the pews when the offensive remarks were made by Wright, now in this speech he said he had heard and was aware of some of his remarks. So why was he a part of such a church where this was the theme of this pastor's sermons over and over? He alluded to the fact that more would be coming out and I think the speech was to try and head that off. This is far from over.
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Old 03-18-2008, 10:23 AM
 
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Read the speech with comprehension. He answered your question.
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Old 03-18-2008, 10:24 AM
 
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The problem is that Obama contradicts himself repeatedly. He at first said he had never been in the pews when the offensive remarks were made by Wright, now in this speech he said he had heard and was aware of some of his remarks. So why was he a part of such a church where this was the theme of this pastor's sermons over and over? He alluded to the fact that more would be coming out and I think the speech was to try and head that off. This is far from over.
You hope it's far from over but it's settled. This won't affect him negatively anymore.
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Old 03-18-2008, 10:24 AM
 
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The problem is that Obama contradicts himself repeatedly. He at first said he had never been in the pews when the offensive remarks were made by Wright, now in this speech he said he had heard and was aware of some of his remarks. So why was he a part of such a church where this was the theme of this pastor's sermons over and over? He alluded to the fact that more would be coming out and I think the speech was to try and head that off. This is far from over.
I really didn't find that hard to follow at all, and yet you are the second person to bring this up. Obama has always said, long before this controversy, that Wright has said things he disagrees with. The specific clips looped repeatedly in the media the past few weeks were during services that he was not there. As he was not there, he was not aware of them.

He explained why he was apart of the church though, here...

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On one end of the spectrum, we've heard the implication that my candidacy is somehow an exercise in affirmative action; that it's based solely on the desire of wide-eyed liberals to purchase racial reconciliation on the cheap. On the other end, we've heard my former pastor, Reverend Jeremiah Wright, use incendiary language to express views that have the potential not only to widen the racial divide, but views that denigrate both the greatness and the goodness of our nation; that rightly offend white and black alike.


I have already condemned, in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely - just as I'm sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests, or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed.


But the remarks that have caused this recent firestorm weren't simply controversial. They weren't simply a religious leader's effort to speak out against perceived injustice. Instead, they expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country - a view that sees white racism as endemic, and that elevates what is wrong with America above all that we know is right with America; a view that sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam.


As such, Reverend Wright's comments were not only wrong but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity; racially charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems - two wars, a terrorist threat, a falling economy, a chronic health care crisis and potentially devastating climate change; problems that are neither black or white or Latino or Asian, but rather problems that confront us all.


Given my background, my politics, and my professed values and ideals, there will no doubt be those for whom my statements of condemnation are not enough. Why associate myself with Reverend Wright in the first place, they may ask? Why not join another church? And I confess that if all that I knew of Reverend Wright were the snippets of those sermons that have run in an endless loop on the television and You Tube, or if Trinity United Church of Christ conformed to the caricatures being peddled by some commentators, there is no doubt that I would react in much the same way

But the truth is, that isn't all that I know of the man. The man I met more than twenty years ago is a man who helped introduce me to my Christian faith, a man who spoke to me about our obligations to love one another; to care for the sick and lift up the poor. He is a man who served his country as a U.S. Marine; who has studied and lectured at some of the finest universities and seminaries in the country, and who for over thirty years led a church that serves the community by doing God's work here on Earth - by housing the homeless, ministering to the needy, providing day care services and scholarships and prison ministries, and reaching out to those suffering from HIV/AIDS.

In my first book, Dreams From My Father, I described the experience of my first service at Trinity:

"People began to shout, to rise from their seats and clap and cry out, a forceful wind carrying the reverend's voice up into the rafters....And in that single note - hope! - I heard something else; at the foot of that cross, inside the thousands of churches across the city, I imagined the stories of ordinary black people merging with the stories of David and Goliath, Moses and Pharaoh, the Christians in the lion's den, Ezekiel's field of dry bones. Those stories - of survival, and freedom, and hope - became our story, my story; the blood that had spilled was our blood, the tears our tears; until this black church, on this bright day, seemed once more a vessel carrying the story of a people into future generations and into a larger world. Our trials and triumphs became at once unique and universal, black and more than black; in chronicling our journey, the stories and songs gave us a means to reclaim memories that we didn't need to feel shame about...memories that all people might study and cherish - and with which we could start to rebuild."

That has been my experience at Trinity. Like other predominantly black churches across the country, Trinity embodies the black community in its entirety - the doctor and the welfare mom, the model student and the former gang-banger. Like other black churches, Trinity's services are full of raucous laughter and sometimes bawdy humor. They are full of dancing, clapping, screaming and shouting that may seem jarring to the untrained ear. The church contains in full the kindness and cruelty, the fierce intelligence and the shocking ignorance, the struggles and successes, the love and yes, the bitterness and bias that make up the black experience in America.

And this helps explain, perhaps, my relationship with Reverend Wright. As imperfect as he may be, he has been like family to me. He strengthened my faith, officiated my wedding, and baptized my children. Not once in my conversations with him have I heard him talk about any ethnic group in derogatory terms, or treat whites with whom he interacted with anything but courtesy and respect. He contains within him the contradictions - the good and the bad - of the community that he has served diligently for so many years.

I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother - a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.


These people are a part of me. And they are a part of America, this country that I love.

Some will see this as an attempt to justify or excuse comments that are simply inexcusable. I can assure you it is not. I suppose the politically safe thing would be to move on from this episode and just hope that it fades into the woodwork. We can dismiss Reverend Wright as a crank or a demagogue, just as some have dismissed Geraldine Ferraro, in the aftermath of her recent statements, as harboring some deep-seated racial bias.

...For the African-American community, that path means embracing the burdens of our past without becoming victims of our past. It means continuing to insist on a full measure of justice in every aspect of American life. But it also means binding our particular grievances - for better health care, and better schools, and better jobs - to the larger aspirations of all Americans -- the white woman struggling to break the glass ceiling, the white man whose been laid off, the immigrant trying to feed his family. And it means taking full responsibility for own lives - by demanding more from our fathers, and spending more time with our children, and reading to them, and teaching them that while they may face challenges and discrimination in their own lives, they must never succumb to despair or cynicism; they must always believe that they can write their own destiny.

Ironically, this quintessentially American - and yes, conservative - notion of self-help found frequent expression in Reverend Wright's sermons. But what my former pastor too often failed to understand is that embarking on a program of self-help also requires a belief that society can change.

The profound mistake of Reverend Wright's sermons is not that he spoke about racism in our society. It's that he spoke as if our society was static; as if no progress has been made; as if this country - a country that has made it possible for one of his own members to run for the highest office in the land and build a coalition of white and black; Latino and Asian, rich and poor, young and old -- is still irrevocably bound to a tragic past. But what we know -- what we have seen - is that America can change. That is true genius of this nation. What we have already achieved gives us hope - the audacity to hope - for what we can and must achieve tomorrow.
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Old 03-18-2008, 10:28 AM
 
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I heard the speech and I understand English, I am simply not buying it.
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Old 03-18-2008, 10:29 AM
 
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Barick said nothing in his speech condeming or refuting the vile, vicious anti Americanism of his racist former pastor and friend.

In the 20 or so years that Barick Obama has been associated with and a member of Jerimiah Wright's congregation he listened many times to Wright's vulgarity laced racist sermons. What's even worse is that Barick Obama has shown poor judgement by allowing his children to hear this filth.

Lets send Barick Obama a strong message by voting against him at the polls. It doesn't matter who you vote for. Just vote against Barick and his filthy mouthed friend and spiritual advisor.
Who is Barick?
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