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Old 03-18-2008, 03:49 PM
 
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How often have most people walked up to their priest or minister or grandfather or friend and said " We need to talk about this or we are quits" when it comes to race issues? Be real.
How often do they make the same man their "mentor" and "spiritual advisor"???
How will he talk to the US people about race???
How will he talk to Israel and Palestine about race???
Davart put it best.
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Old 03-18-2008, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Texas
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How often have most people walked up to their priest or minister or grandfather or friend and said " We need to talk about this or we are quits" when it comes to race issues? Be real. How many people walk up to their neighbor or friend today and confront them on their opinions? However, as a philosophy and policy, you can in fact put into place, people who can and will effectively negotiate.
Just because you apparently don't associate with people who stand up for what's right doesn't mean the rest of us don't.

When I was a kid (6th grader, to be precise), a single white woman rented the house across the street from mine. Folks went to welcome her to the neighborhood and it turned out that she was going to be one of the sixth-grade teachers at the neighborhood school. The woman's boyfriend was African-American and a really nice, friendly man. I used to go over and visit with them quite often.

School starts, all is well. I wasn't in the woman's class but since the two sixth-grade classes did a lot of activities together, I saw her both at school and in the neighborhood. None of the neighbor kids or parents made any mention of the teacher's living situation or relationship. At the end of the year, the 6th-grade teachers decided to have an end of the year picnic and my neighbor offered to host it at her house. That's when the trouble started. Apparently, when locating her house in advance of the party, the parents of the kids who didn't live near us saw the teacher and her boyfriend out in the yard. All hell broke loose. The party went on as planned but a lot of kids didn't attend. My black friends weren't permitted by their parents to come and that made me sad.

These parents --black AND white -- organized a meeting with the principal and demanded that she be fired on the basis of her interracial relationship. When my mother found out about it, she called other neighbors and went to the school to counter. She stood up for that teacher and said that as long as she was a good teacher, which she was, her personal relationships outside of school weren't ANYONE'S business. I was really proud of my mom. The teacher kept her job but, a year later, moved away.

Now, my parents were very conservative and didn't approve of the teacher's live-in boyfriend as it went against their values system. And my mom took a LOT of heat from people for supporting this teacher. But she did what she felt was right and stood up for her against some pretty bitter opposition and some of her own peer group.

I was taught to do the same and, perhaps, this is part of the reason why I have a big problem with Obama's church membership. He says one thing but gives in to the mob mentality and won't ruffle feathers by trying to tone down the rhetoric. If he really DOES find the rhetoric offensive, there's no honor in his position. If he agrees with the rhetoric, he needs to be clear about that with the American people. Anything else is cowardice.
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Old 03-18-2008, 04:23 PM
 
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I found the speech incredible and although I am an Obama supporter, I do not usually like his speeches because they are too sing songy for me. But this speech was like a good lawyer, laying out the facts of the case and putting it up to the jury to decide. Not changing the facts, not making up facts, or hiding facts, just laying them out and trusting in the goodwill and judgement of the American people to make a decision.

Can you imagine him sitting down with the people of the Middle East and saying
yep you are right, they did that to you,
and yes you are right, they did that to you,
now that we got all that of the way,
how do you want to live tomorrow,
both sides fighting or
learning from the mistakes of the past to create a better future?

Obama IS a lawyer
and yeah, I can see him doing just that
wonder how long it would be after they got finnished with his torture
they beheaded him on TV ??
do you really think these people can be reasoned with??
They think that flying planes into buildings is a pretty good way to go.
It is Obama's foreign policy thinking he can sit down and "reason" with these people.
You make a good statement which makes me glad that I do not support Obama.
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Old 03-18-2008, 05:48 PM
 
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I just have to wander why he ever had wright as part of his campaign at all;he surely knew his position before having known him so long.Does he really think that they are going to say we will stop attacking you.He is he really going to taLk face to face with bin laden and forgive all. Is he going to invite Chavez to the whitehouse;he'll love that.No one but him seems to think this is a good idea that as any foreign policy experience.
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Old 03-19-2008, 06:35 AM
 
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[quote=teatime;3180223]Just because you apparently don't associate with people who stand up for what's right doesn't mean the rest of us don't.]


Having been blessed with the same type of role model as you have, I applaud your good fortune.

However, what if your mother had followed her other set of values, the set that thought it was immoral to live without the benefit of marriage, and marched with the people who wanted the teacher fired? Would you have renounced and rejected your mother and moved out of the house? Or would you have taken her for the human being she is, having to choose what values are more important at the time.
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